I wanted to share with you one of the comments left on my blog just minutes ago. “Get a life,” it said. Here’s the comment and please note the IP address from which it was left: http://www.comparerewards.com/getalife.jpg
I plugged in that IP address to find out where the comment originated from, and guess who left it?: http://www.comparerewards.com/netwinnercomment.jpg
Yes. NetWinner. This was not a volunteer mod, this was an employee of NetWinner posting from NetWinner’s headquarters, on NetWinner’s own IP address in Charlotte, NC. One day after announcing to its members that it would not be paying them what they owed, they tell the complainers to “get a life.”
Adding insult to injury… as if the comments left last night by forum moderator Cuffedaddy weren’t bad enough, calling the NetWinner members, some of whom lost hundreds of dollars, “a bunch of people whining cause they lost nothing but a little bit of time they were not forced into playing anything.” He continued on urging complainers to “grow up…Im not crying over something free,” and “Honestly what have you people lost but time????”
These responses were left anonymously by another NetWinner forum moderator, lisa6948146: “You all seriously need to get a job…do any of you losers have jobs apparently not…It only takes a foot in front of another to get your a$$ away from your computer and get a job and get a paycheck.” Proof that she was the anonymous poster is in a lookup of all comments left from her IP address — see them here and the most recent ones she left are here.
I’m freezing my post about NetWinner from yesterday and asking that you continue commenting here. The blog software isn’t really set up for having over 500 comments on one post and this is resulting in some errors including post duplication. Hopefully a fresh post will fix this.
If you leave a comment and get an error, please refresh the page to see if your comment was posted before resubmitting it; thanks!
Now, I’ll step out of the way and let the discussion continue.
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Ok, I tried to post this on the other thread but it wasn’t open for comments anymore so..
The NWC says it’s “down for maintainance” but it’s not. You can get there by going here:
http://www.netwinnercentral.com/view_category.php?id=6
Once there, the other forums open wide for you. Have fun
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Anonymous said:
“You are all upset because you didn’t get something for free? Are you all going to now file a lawsuit against popups for lkying because you wern’t the “1,000,000″ visitor and you want your $25 gift card to walmart. Get a life.”
Okay, but we are all on the same page that NW is a scam, just like those popups? (also, popups are usually include a * or etc and its not backed by a TOS)
And it is not all about the money. It is also about making scam sites go out of business, so that they won’t scam others. Or give reputable sites a bad name in the industry.
Anonymous said:
“Your right but lets use math since everyone here is so fond of it. Playing netwinner = possible win. Not playing = no chance for a win
Last time I checked, 1 in 100 is still larger than 0.”
0.99999999~ = 1
thus 0.000000000000000~1 = 0
If a company canceled payments. There is no proof they did not rig the wins. See if they were to sort out who cheated and who didn’t and pay them and afterwards did the change, that would have been different then doing what they did. At this point, NW is a SCAM period. Thus deserves what it deserves.
Why does it even matter to you if we whine or not?
Thank you Becky. An attempt was made to post the following information earlier but the post failed to go through.
See this article entitled “But is it Gambling?”:
http://rose.casinocitytimes.com/articles/997.html
Every jurisdiction has the right to define the three elements of gambling, Consideration, Prize and Chance, any way it sees fit.
1) Consideration usually means players must pay something of value to be eligible to participate.
2) Prize includes not only money, but anything of value.
3) Chance means the outcome is not determined by skill.
Notice that the Californie Supreme Court ruled that “consideration requires paying money for the chance to win.”
(repeating the last post in the other thread)
I just received this email from the BBB and thought others should know. I believe this was/is a case of fraud. I was “hired” by netwinner to do a job (IE: play the game and watch/click ads). I did my job without cheating or deception and deserved the “pay” as agreed upon. If any other place had done this they would have been shut down immediately and all assets frozen and or sold and used as payments made to those owed. Netwinner can change their site to all raffles, that is within their rights. However they cannot get away with not paying for services rendered in the past. Please everyone, file with the BBB in charlotte and with the FTC and the Atty General. Thank you Becky for allowing us a place to meet and discuss our options!!
Thank you for contacting the Better Business Bureau. Your complaint was received by the Bureau on May 12, 2008.
Your complaint has been applied to the following business:
Netwinner LLC
1427 South Blvd Ste 200
Charlotte, NC 28203-4261
The case has been reviewed and has now been forwarded to the business for their response. This business has until May 27, 2008 to respond to your complaint. You may contact our office after May 27, 2008 to check the status of your complaint.
We encourage you to use our ONLINE COMPLAINT system to keep up with the progress of this complaint. To view the details of your case please go to the following website address: http://www.charlotte.bbb.org/.
Sincerely,
Hilda T. Cohen
Dispute Resolution Specialist
BBB Complaint Department
hcohen@charlotte.bbb.org
I believe cuffedaddy and several other reps has provided everyone with a glowing example of what kinds of things to look for when joining other money-making ventures. Are they polite and considerate or mean-spirited, rude and condescending? Do they treat others with dignity or do they habitually talk down and insult others?
Put these people’s personalities in your memory banks and watch for it when browsing the internet. Shady, crooked thugs are everywhere and scammish programs cannot get off the ground without utilizing the help of self-centered, opportunistic people.
California is probably more liberal than North Carolina though. Many people equate time with great value, so a reasonable arguement could be made that sitting at a computer screen for hours watching advertisements to the enrichment of the company could easily be considered the same as paying money. Not to mention at the time of redemptions, points were worth money, albeit a fraction of a penny, and the same points could be used to enter raffles which made their raffles illegal under North Carolina statutes.
I just posted on NW forum, asking Mike or a staff member to comment on paying bribes to keep some members quiet, I’m sure the post will be deleted or if they do respond I hold no credibility to their answer.
Thank you Becky, for allowing us to vent and exercise our free speech!
ok, I went to the link for the nc dept of justice and couldn’t get the pdf to open. I went to their home pg and it gave these directions:
Read these guidelines:
http://www.ncdoj.com/consumerprotection/cp_complaints_instructions.jsp
(it wants a copy of the terms of service- it matters what they were when you cashed in your “reward” NOT NOW it is not retroactive!)
then here is the link for the complaint:
http://www.ncdoj.com/DocumentStreamerClient?directory=Forms/&file=CONSUMER.pdf (pdf version)
other info from their site states:
“About the Consumer Protection Division of Attorney General Roy Cooper
- The Consumer Protection Division of the Attorney General’s Office enforces North
Carolina’s consumer protection laws, which are aimed at preventing unfair or deceptive
trade practices.
- One means we use to learn about such practices is through “consumer complaints” filed
with the office. Thank you for taking the time to complete the complaint form.
What Happens to Your Complaint Once We Receive It?
- Once we receive the complaint form along with supporting documents, it will be reviewed
and in most cases forwarded to the business complained about for response. You will
receive copies of all correspondence. We will work with you and the business to try to
reach a voluntary resolution of your dispute.
- If the complaint falls within the jurisdiction of another local, state or federal agency, we may
refer your complaint to that agency.
- If we handle your complaint and are not successful in negotiating a mutually satisfactory
resolution, then we may suggest that you consider filing an action in Small Claims Court or
consulting with a private attorney. Certain complaints that involve contractual disputes or
disputes of the facts can only be resolved by the courts.
- Although we try to assist all consumers, the fact that we may not be able to directly assist
you does not reflect on the validity of your complaint. Each complaint, however, remains a
part of our cumulative files and may be useful to other consumers. It will help us to monitor
questionable business practices and to determine priorities in our enforcement efforts and
legislative recommendations.
Important Information
- This office does not have the authority to give private legal advice or provide private legal
representation to individual consumers.
- This office generally does not become involved in matters that are scheduled or have
already been heard in a court of law or have already been closed by the agency with proper
jurisdiction.
- When you submit your complaint, please ensure that you include legible COPIES of
supporting documents you may have. Such documents include contracts, invoices,
receipts, correspondence, etc. Please do NOT send originals. If you fail to send existing
supporting documents it may delay processing of your complaint. Faxing your complaint
may also delay processing if the paperwork you send is illegible.
- Documents provided to this office may be public record.”
The Phone number of the NC Attorney General Roy Cooper is: (919)716-6000
Sooooo Mod lisa….we should get lives eh? Least I’m still not associating with a company that ripped off thousands of people for Shitloads of cash. Got your prizes tho I bet. Enjoy those big ole bonus points too.
Funny thing is the mods are still doing thier thing over at NWC. Hey how about you get a life lisa and stop fooking with ours.
I DID NOT post that My sister did that. I wasnt gonna say anything but i am not gonna take the blame for something i did not say. Look at the typing it is totally different. I can have her post if you want but i DID NOT!!!!! post that
I am pretty hazy how Netwinner could legally run sweapstakes in the first place. According to NC law http://www.gambling-law-us.com/State-Laws/North-Carolina/ any lottery using any type of token (including points one would imagine) that isn’t run by a registered charity or the state is illegal – you don’t need to have paid cash for the ticket directly. One assumes you can get some sort of licence – question is did they?
Not sure about other states but I am fairly certain it’s also illegal in Canada to offer prizes for a game of chance (real companies have a legal loophole situation where Canadian winners are required to answer a simple maths question so that is technically is a test of skill and not chance – nothing in the T&C’s mention this though so if they did ask one and you got it wrong they would be in legal problems).
Not that these people seem the sort that would bother with the law in the first place but it looks on the surface (I am not a lawyer) to be enough to have all the management of the company criminally prosecuted in NC and possibly in other states & provinces as well.
no, i typed it on her computer without her permission it wasn’t her REALLY!!!!
OMG the MY LITTLE SISSTER EXCUSE!!!!11!! TOO RICH!!!!
ok my sister lisa DID NOT POST THAT I did and im sick and tired of you people bashing her I don’t volunteer for Netwinner but, I have the right to say what I want to defend her I am sorry Lisa I never thought my posts would get you lynched.
oh well these people will decided what they want I will leave you losers alone.
Reminder: Please remember, this is a family site.
you people are something else
Update, Mike answered my post and said this in response to why some people were paid bribes to keep quiet ahead of others waiting for redemptions:
“I though it was a bad idea and I said so when i learned it was going to happen.”
For those of you that would like to see that I am not taking it out of context, feel free to view:
http://www.netwinnercentral.com/view_topic.php?id=4154&forum_id=6
My little sister/brother excusses are the oldest lamest non-believable lines by online gamers. There are whole threads at message boards that make fun of it. Deal with it.
oh well it don’t matter if the the owner of this site wants to talk to both me and lisa at the same time ill email her my phone number. so i can prove what i wrote is not her
This is a joke, netwinner.com should fold, or be sued to fold it, at this point i dont even care about my money anymore, just sue the owners so they cannot scam anyone in the future.
NetWinner’s ISP was squarely nailed for the first anonymous “Get a life” comment. As for the second, Lisa, whether your fingers typed it, you dictated it, or your dog did it, a person is judged by the company he keeps, and when you associate with liars, nobody’s going to give you the benefit of the doubt. Are you still a mod? I think the answer to that question will say more about your character than any other words you or your sister could type. Actions speak louder.
lisa6948146 said:
“I DID NOT post that My sister did that. I wasnt gonna say anything but i am not gonna take the blame for something i did not say. Look at the typing it is totally different. I can have her post if you want but i DID NOT!!!!! post that”
For the sake of argument again, lets say that is true.
So your own sister thinks NetWinner is no different then a popup SCAM…that says something doesn’t it?
Becky, I guess starting a new post didn’t stop the double comments from being posted
I apologize for all this extra work you are doing. But I also thank you profusely for allowing us to continue with our comments/chat between ourselves about what has happened here. It does serve a purpose. It gets out all the hard feeling and allows information to pass through that could help those that have been mistreated and used by NW and the mods. Maybe something good can still come of all this. Not from NW of course..
It’s a shame your post was already locked Rich but I really admire how respectful and intelligent you post was it was straight to the point and not aggressive in the least. For the following poster to react the way they did is the same defensiveness we are seeing again and again from people who just will not admit what happened was very wrong and Netwinner should be held accountable for their actions.
Becky, you forgot one possibility. Aliens could have abducted her dog and replaced it with a pod pet that typed the words…do I hear x-files music playing in the background??? LOL
Thank you to “Yeah Rich”. I thought it was funny how quickly it was locked. On a positive note, I just completed my first term back in college with an A in composition so I guess it has already paid off if I was able to respectfully make a point in the NW forum lol
I will give her the benifit of the doubt, sure its her sister, but if its your computer, you are responsable for whats its used for.
Thanks for showing true colours for us Becky..
My sister did it..Geez I(and just about ANYONE who has more than one kid)have heard That line wayyyyyyyy too many times.And it usually came out of the mouth of a young child who got Caught.
Personally I Have a job..more than one in fact.I just happen to have times during the year(seasonal work) that I am not working fulltime.
But no matter MY Time is Always worth something..time taken away watching Ads so that Netwinner could make MORE money was supposed to be in return for CASH..Not raffle tickets..period.
Now I am curious to see how this drama unfolds.I (Like Canuck) am in Canada so my voice would not be heard in the States BUT I Am looking into what avenues we have.
I am still trying to figure out who I insulted?
Another thing, netwinner should change to a raffle only site if they arent making money, but they should honor all cashout requests from before, and then say “after May XX” no more cashouts will be accepted.
I have a few things to say about the whole Nloser situation.
1. i find it absolutely disgusting that nloser mods are coming here and trying to defend nloser still, and how they are posting degrading comments to us players about getting a job, for all you mods, do you know what each and every one of us do for a living, nope, didnt think so, so shut your pie hole
2. I was one of the few who got a call and their ecard and yes i was told to keep the conversation quiet however i WASNT told anything in detail, just that nloser was going to make changes thats it, Im beyond pissed that only a few of us received our winnings, I for the life of me cant figure out why they would pay some of us and not all, I also can tell you that even though i was one of the biggest gripers on the forum, i never once contacted nloser about it, just bitched up a storm on the forum, so to be honest, i dont know why i got mine, (though i did cash out nov 6)
Some im sure had in depth conversations with matt and were told more details and im sure there are some like me who didnt …
My gawd, this is better than any soap opera I could watch while sitting on my lazy a$$(as some of the mods would call it) eating bon-bons.
If your a Netwinner employe stay atay there and chat with your players not here cuffedaddy
Oh lord! Not you again. Please stay with your buddies at NW Cuffdaddy/cufdaddy/cuffedaddy..whoever you are. Don’t you have better things to do today? Like ban accounts and lock people out of the forum? Or maybe defend NW for all of this? Or, perhaps you should be over there saying “You will get paid. You will get paid” over and over again in the mirror so it looks convincing?
Okay Rich posted this
Rich said:
Update, Mike answered my post and said this in response to why some people were paid bribes to keep quiet ahead of others waiting for redemptions:
“I though it was a bad idea and I said so when i learned it was going to happen.”
For those of you that would like to see that I am not taking it out of context, feel free to view:
http://www.netwinnercentral.com/view_topic.php?id=4154&forum_id=6
I did see this response of Mike’s and was kinda shocked how Mike didn’t even try to deny it. Now if you go look Mike changed his answer in the post I guess he realized that he really goofed by answering that way!! Gosh I wish I had taken a screen shot of that to prove it.
If you see the response counts on the posts here changing, it’s because I’m deleting duplicate posts, not posts I don’t like… like at some other places, ahem.
If you get an error after submitting a comment, please reload the page to see if it posted before resubmitting; thanks! And my apologies for the problems.
Mike just posted the new Spin Report -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIIPtoe4Pto
They disabled text comments for the video, of course. But apparently you can still post a video response. Does anyone who has a video camera want to try? Unfortunately I do not have a video camera or I’d do it. You could direct folks here to show them what Netwinner is really all about.
OMG you’re right! Did anyone think to get a SS of him basically admitting it? Crap!
I cannot believe they have the cojones to post another spin report. And that the beginning of the video still says “You Play, We Pay” Lying sacks of #@#&!
I was one of the ones who got paid. I know I voiced gripes on the forums. I recevied a call from one of the yahoos there at Netwinner. I can’t remember which one called me but I am kicking myself that I didn’t pick up. I received a $50 ecount card that I cashed out on March 5th. I got the card on May 9th. It tuely is rotten what they did to everyone nd plan on helping all in anyway I can.
Alright you guys, who let one?
Chuffdaddy said:
I am still trying to figure out who I insulted?
Oh – nevermind.
They posted the spin report, and blocked comments. Geez!
Good ole MJP…running around like a chicken with his head cut off trying to delete posts that don’t agree with their “new model”…LOL
They also still haven’t changed the video when you first go to their site. After the Exxon card page, it shows the games and says “No Scamming!” HA! That’s rich! Also still says you can redeem for points and prizes. Sure you can. You won’t get the stuff, but you can redeem any time you like.
Don’t worry, I do have a screenshot of Mike’s original answer on the forum from where he basically admitted they paid bribes. It will be very useful when I submit my formal complaint to the N.C. Dept. of Justice, and possibly for court if it goes that far.
Very smart Rich
Maybe his little brother wrote that, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Easily found in a yahoo netwinner group.
Bobt1956 yahoo id is: jrtemp1956@yahoo.com, he is on Yahoo Msg. right now, and he lists his occ. as a Systems Analyst.
BobT Please tell us about Patience and Persistence Pays!!!
MJP is now living in a fantasy world…
http://www.netwinnercentral.com/view_topic.php?id=4126&forum_id=6&jump_to=145205#p145205
Said that all this is just fantasy…
Hey Cuffedaddy! Who’s your Daddy?!?!
i was in that thread a few minutes ago where he said he was sorry that happend..actually his response to rich was I am sorry this happened with prizes, but there is nothing I can do now. When the thread continued to question him about people getting paid for hush. he posted that the thread served no purpose and closed the posting to it. I went to the gripers thread and asked him this:
i would like to know why everytime mjp doesnt like what is being said in one of his threads as in the thread would like to know the company’s response thread..it is closed when anyone mentions the truth about what was done about paying some players and not others ??
Is there some underlying secret or what?? Everyone already knows about the payoffs to players its all over the net..not only here !!
his response to me was: ShansGram
Member,
If you are trying to run us into the ground, no you can not use our tools to do so.
How can I help you?
i told him: i dont want anything mjp i was just reading thru the threads and was at that thread where the information was being discussed on some people receiving phone calls and being paid their prizes or at least part of them if they didnt talk about receiving them trying to form an opinion on your answer to them..and you said it served no purpose and closed the thread. So I guess my question was answered when you said that you were sorry about all of that when people were paid thru those phone calls. I would like to be paid just like everyone else..so I guess I am trying to figure out what they did that I havents so I can be paid too !!
As of this minute ..I have not received a reply back from him.
I just wonder how he thinks asking simple questions is running netwinner into the ground..I think they pretty much did that themselves.
As far as their advertisers are concerned..when you go to one of their sites there has always been streaming ads playing..I have gone to see if any of the sites are still working and funny thing I have found today..THERE ARE NO STREAMING ADS..what does this mean?? in my very humble opinion..I think Netwinner is losing ground with their affiliates.
I have requested a complaint form from the North Carolina Attorney General’s Office as suggested and when I receive it I will follow thru with my complaint. I have also registered a complaint with the North Caroline BBB (Piedmont Area) and will continue to follow thru with it. I probably will never see my winnings but if it helps to rid a fraudulant company from the Net..I will feel like something good has come from all of this..Good Luck to everyone with whatever your endevours are.
Thecommittee wishes to thank Becky profusely for being such a kind and generous host and for allowing us ragmuffins to come in and mess up her house, so to speak. We’ll help with the dishes later and uh, sorry ’bout the broken coffee table, the shattered mirror and that funny looking lamp that says Tiffany underneath.
I just read pages of the netwinner fulfillment topic, all the answers from the mods saying “don’t worry you will be paid” with the stupid smilies are removed. I only read about ten pages, couldn’t stand to read the rest.
I asked Netweinner if I could exchange the points for toilet paper and then when I looked it was erased?
“I have to say that you all seriously need to get a job. you spend all day long posting and complaining. Do any of you losers have jobs apparently not if your all here complaining about cash. It only takes a foot in front of another to get your a$$ away from your computer and get a job and get a paycheck.”
I had to respond to the above “idiot” who posted this. I, myself do not post and complain all day long. I don’t have a job bec I am retired/disabled. In the better NW days, it was fun to play in the contests and also win points from the game for a giftcard/ecount card to give away to friends or family. It has nothing to do about being a loser or jobless, etc. I think YOU may be soon talking about yourself..because if you are a NW employee……you WILL soon be in the employment line and I am a firm believer in ” what goes around…comes around. Remember that!
Mike at NWC just posted about how the mods don’t derserve what’s happening and please lay off them and take it out on me cry cry cry. Meanwhile deleating posts furiously
Aaron,
Check out my response to Mike (while it lasts) on his attempt to get people to respect the moderators.
yep, I posted a reply to that thread that those mods(and their sisters!!) have been over here slamming and name-calling and telling us to get real jobs. It was deleted before I even refreshed the page.
I was right, your post was gone before my reply was even sent
Me thinks me is about to get banned at NW LOL
They tell us to leave the mods alone. I for one have not said anything about any of the mods. But they want us to leave them alone while cuffdaddy comes in here and calls Us whiners because we don’t like cjheating liars.
well I filed my complaint with the BBB.. I hope others are doing the same. It’s not about the money anymore…it’s just not.
Rich, I think I’m on my way too! hee hee. I’ve had a couple posts deleted today…. woohoooo.
I do of course mean cheating.
I would llke to ask annonymous a question?? Are you bi-polar or something?? why do you keep telling people to get a job and posting nasty comments to people. You have been here all day posting negative comments on one hand and on the other you sound like you are all for what netwinner has done?? So what is it annonymous?? Do you think this is right?? or do you think Netwinner has scammed everyone?
If you are still undecided maybe you need to take a chill pill or do what you keep telling everyone else to do..GET A JOB AND GET YOUR A$$ AWAY FROM YOUR COMPUTER !!
Yea he said we were a “small group” yea right.
I also filed a complaint with the BBB
In one of the post in the forum the great leader posted to contact support@netwinner.com…which I did and will do again – but this is their lame response – I am very glad I did tho – I will go back to the BBB, pull up my case file and add this as their response…I did however CC a copy to the BBB already but I am adding this as well:
Dear Brenda,
Thank you for contacting Netwinner Customer Support.We are sorry but at this time we are unable to
redeem points for cash. This has been done in order to cut back on the large amounts of fraud and
liability we have been facing. We are very sorry but we would like to apologize by returning double
the points you used in making your transaction. We hope to be able to reinstate these cards at a later
time but as of right now we are no longer able to do so. If you had an instant win or prize drawing
please reply to this email with your username and the amount of the prize.
Again we apologize for the trouble we have caused you.
Regards,
Customer Support, Netwinner
What a bunch of bull!
I think people need to spend their time complaining to the BBB and the other appropriate places instead of saying nasty things about the mods. It is the NW owners/head honchos that are responsible- beat on them! I have stopped playing and am very disappointed it has came to this. Shame on the NW owners.
Mods can quit anytime, even come here and say they have, maybe even spill some beans…..but thoose big point bonuses must be huge!!!
Count me as another former player who contact the BBB — makes you feel at least a little better =)
May 13, 2008 2:54 PM
Anonymous said:
“I have to say that you all seriously need to get a job. you spend all day long posting and complaining. Do any of you losers have jobs apparently not if your all here complaining about cash. It only takes a foot in front of another to get your a$$ away from your computer and get a job and get a paycheck.”
I would like to respond to this as well:
My 89 year old mother has alzeheimers. She requires 24/7 care. I have elected to stay at home and care for her. This is my job. I have also served in the US Air Force for 8 years and am retired from the US Postal Serivce. If you THINK for one minute that your above post is at anything more than a 2 years old response than you might need to rethink what you post. One day something is going to come your way, and I want you to remember what you have said to others in your post.
I agree with what you just said Aaron.
For obvious reasons I can’t say who I am, but I got big news for Netwinner – thanks to my son’s psychotic ex-girlfriend, my phone is currently recording all calls, including the one to accept money to be quiet…oh and directing me to connectingmoms for a new Netwinner contest.com — I can’t wait for the Spin report from prison!
ughhhh..this is getting worse. I really hope the NW owners/fatcats get arrested and pay everyone they cheated.
MJP: I just banned two people. I do not want to do this. I do not and will not ban people for complaining or even for slamming us. If they stay here all day everyday and do just that, or flood the forum, you are gone.
Sounds like he’s getting upset lol
Oh my no, I was baned at NWC. Whatever will I do?!?! Those of you who still have acess there keep drilling them till they actually answer some those pertinant questions.
If he “does not and will not ban people for complaining, etc” then why did he just do it?
This is what Mike just posted:
I just banned two people. I do not want to do this. I do not and will not ban people for complaining or even for slamming us. If they stay here all day everyday and do just that, or flood the forum, you are gone.
He is such an idiot. I never have believed anything he has said and never will. I think he is the biggest liar on their.
ShansGram, the “get a job” post you’re referring to was posted from the same IP address as one of the forum mods. She hasn’t posted it over and over — people are just quoting it in order to reply more directly to the commenter.
The other “get a job” post came from NetWinner’s IP address, so it wasn’t a volunteer mod, but an actual NW employee. Me thinks they ought to take their own advice.
Anybody think Chad and Anthony looked a little shaken in the latest Spin Report? They said they didn’t know they had to work that day, something like that. I bet it was more like, “OMG, NW is doing WHAT to its members? And we’re associated with these guys?” Friday was the day mjp says he found out about the changes. I imagine they were told then, too.
Those fancy frozen coffee drinks are pretty expensive…Chad and Anthony must be paid pretty well.
Who’s going to do a video response to the Spin Report? Anyone?
Well now I can’t stop getting E-mail from reply posts from NWC and I can’t log in to stop it, guess they get the spam button.
Dang, I haven’t been banned yet? And I called them criminals. What did ya’ll do that was so much worse lol
Yea Becky, they blamed their “shakiness” on the iced coffee’s they were drinking. Ha!
I guess I posted too much and too articulately for him to handle.
Too articulately? But according to Mike he is a journalist, you’d think he could handle words over 3 letters long.
BECKY CAN YOU PLEASE EMAIL, ID LIKE SOME INFO
always thought mjp65 had bad language/spelling. Could not understand why NW hired him. Oh and yes, quite rude as well.
Yes! Finally they fall flat on their faces.. I tried to warn everyone that NetWinner was a scam over 4 months ago. When Banko was released as beta I was ripped off a couple of times (once being the Jackpot). So I decompiled the flash game and discovered compelling evidence that the games are rigged.
But why rig the games? Well if they can control when you win and how much you win then they can manage how much they give out and how much they profit (Not a bad thing). But they were advertising their site and their games as a game of chance with a set percentage of winning. If they control who wins when they win and how much they win then that percentage and their claims of being a game of chance in not true at all.
I called it even before it happened, they got rid of cash prizes all together and have now made your chances of winning even slimmer, while those dumb enough to waste their time is racking in some serious revenue money for them..
Check out my blog for more.. http://isitrigged.wordpress.com
PS I have also received the same comments on my blog from NetWinner as well, I never approve them just as they always removed my negative comments on their site.
Their comments were never anything disproving my finds or even disclaiming my finds just their same ol’ “Get a Life” line.
I have also got a comment from that lisa girl and her husband. Her husbands was pretty interesting. He said that his wife and several other of the mods were selling users information to third party companies, thus violating NetWinner’s “Terms of Service” policy.
Someone asked in the previous entry for a list of current mods. Since that thread is now closed due to the number of responses causing problems with the software, I’ll post it here. Here you go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxHm7BoVV-A
no need to bash the mods! Lay it off! I no longer play for your information- and my anger/disappointment is towards the NW honchos..not the mods for goodness sake! Why can’t some people understand that?
I know my opinion is as valuable as all those useless points that were “traded”
to us — without our knowledge prior to the trade , but I’m going to exptess it anyway.
In my unasked for opinion, we were lied to because we were promise something and given something else. Only cheaters and liars do this.
If you could not follow through with your promises, you should never have made them in the first place. I really feel like I have been violated.
Thank you for using the Better Business Bureau’s Online Complaint System.
Your complaint has been assigned case # 374557.
Correspondence regarding this complaint will be emailed to : happy_vegan_ebionite@praiseyah.com
Please print a copy of this for your records.
Hi,
I received an email from a friend about this situation. You’re all so very thorough and helpful with the necessary links, that I was easily able to make the complaint.
I went the route of using confirmation emails as well as false revenue generated by advertisers.
I urge all of you to file complaints if you haven’t already. The process is very simple and only took about ten minutes of my time.
If any of you reported what you received from Netwinner as income on your taxes last year, it would also be a good idea to file a non-receipt of a 1099 complaint against Netwinner regardless of amount claimed. Companies are not required to send out these forms under normal circumstances for amounts paid per individual that are less than $600. However, if Netwinner claimed our previous payments as either operating expenses or as a loss (and we all know they did, don’t we?) then they’ll need to substantiate that expense or loss to the IRS. It usually takes three years for that sort of red flag to create an audit situation for companies who don’t substantiate this deduction. But you can make it happen sooner by filing that IRS complaint if you reported your Netwinner winnings as income and received no form.
Here is a copy of the complaint I sent to the Charlotte BBB via their website, including confirmation emails as proof of promised payment:
As a member of the Netwinner site, I played for points toward gift cards and redeemed those points on various dates throughout 2007 and 2008. I received confirmation emails and promises of payment via Netwinner’s forum and through email. Here are confirmation emails which confirm that I was promised payment but have not received. I have removed my name and email address here but included them in the complaint:
From: NetWinner [Add to Address Book]
To: xxx
Subject: Confirm Prize Destination
Date: Nov 6, 2007 3:29 PM
Dear xxx
This email serves to confirm that you requested to have your prize
Ecount Cash ($50)
delivered to the following address:
If this information is correct, please:
1. Log into your NetWinner.com account.
2. Go to the MyAccount page
3. Open the Prizes tab and select your prize (Ecount Cash ($50))
4. Use the following code to confirm: xxx
–NetWinner Team
—————————————-
From: No Reply [Add to Address Book]
To: xxx
Subject: Confirm Prize Destination
Date: Jan 17, 2008 9:48 PM
Dear xxx
This email serves to confirm that you requested to have your prize
Ecount Cash ($100)
delivered to the following address:
If this information is correct, please:
1. Log into your Prizevillage.com account.
2. Go to the MyAccount page
3. Open the Prizes tab and select your prize (Ecount Cash ($100))
4. Use the following code to confirm: xxx
–NetWinner Team
———————————
From: No Reply [Add to Address Book]
To: xxx
Subject: Confirm Prize Destination
Date: Jan 28, 2008 7:56 PM
Dear xxx
This email serves to confirm that you requested to have your prize
Ecount Cash ($100)
delivered to the following address:
If this information is correct, please:
1. Log into your http://www.wiiarcade.com Play Free Wii Flash Games account.
2. Go to the MyAccount page
3. Open the Prizes tab and select your prize (Ecount Cash ($100))
4. Use the following code to confirm: xxx
–NetWinner Team
—————————————
All told, they owe me $250.00 which I redeemed as proven here and then confirmed in my account with each unique, corresponding confirmation i.d.
I was told repeatedly as many other members have been for the last six months that payment would be forthcoming. To this day I’ve not received payment.
Yesterday, Netwinner changed it’s point system by no longer offering E-Count payments as prizes. They are free to do this via their TOS. However, this does not negate past obligations and that contract we players had with Netwinner should be considered binding because it was in effect at the time of redemption. I feel the company is now in default and it’s actions constitute fraud.
Netwinner also promoted false ad traffic generating revenue for themselves by requiring members to click on ads regardless of whether members had any intention of purchasing services. This is false revenue generation which members were not aware of at the time.
I think all of this is easily proven not only by the confirmation emails I’ve enclosed but if an audit were to be performed by the proper State, Federal and/or local agencies.
Not only should Netwinner pay it’s members what we are owed, but they should also be forced to return revenue to it’s advertisers received by forcing members to click on ads when we had no idea this was unethical for the company to ask of us.
Thank you.
Being a bonehead sometimes, I forgot to mention that I filed the above claim with the Charlotte, NC BBB, lol. Sorry about that!
I am in the process of filing the complaint on the NC BBB site but I have two address choices. Does anyone know the correct NW address?? I am making myself dizzy trying to scroll up and find the address. thanks
Use the suite 200 one. It’s where most of the corresponding complaints have already been filed.
thank you!
thank you! I am having a hard time deciding on which catagory to pick. Product??
I’m still reading every comment from the previous entry on this, lol. But I do want to show that complaints are being filed at a dizzying rate (Yay us!) and that I’ve added my complaint to that number. You all are doing a great job of coordinating these efforts and working together!
Keep it up! 
If you are looking for a new legit site, jump on over to moola.com
Great business strategy, and no competition for the type of site they have.
The site starts you off with a penny, and you play games to make more money. You can also make money by completing offers, or shopping at places you may already shop at.
If you’d like an invite to join, just email me at OutSider81@aol.com
Take care, and sorry to hear about all these problems with Netwinner….
i hate the new changes and it does suck
but you can come here and run your mouth and thats fine thats your choice to do so but why not use your netwinner name and let ev1 know who you are .. like you all said noone is getting paid anymore so why hide you have nothing left to lose
You’re most welcome Anon!
gottaluvpugs- CHANGES ? you mean “dirty business” ??
” gottalovepugs said:
i hate the new changes and it does suck
but you can come here and run your mouth and thats fine thats your choice to do so but why not use your netwinner name and let ev1 know who you are .. like you all said noone is getting paid anymore so why hide you have nothing left to lose
”
Do you eat with that hostile and accusatory mouth? No one has to substantiate any of their reasoning to you here. This is a free and open forum and these people have been hurt enough. If you don’t like it this conversation format, you are ofcourse free to say so. But why insist on torturing yourself by visiting a site you do not like? As Netwinner would say, “If you don’t like it, don’t post!”
gottaluvpugs- oh yes we do. Next thing you know- NW will freeze the points we still have for the lousy raffles
Feeling sorry for gottalovebullsh*t right about now. How delusional!
“I wanted to share with you one of the comments left on my blog just minutes ago. “Get a life,” it said. Here’s the comment and please note the IP address from which it was left: http://www.comparerewards.com/getalife.jpg
I plugged in that IP address to find out where the comment originated from, and guess who left it?: http://www.comparerewards.com/netwinnercomment.jpg“
Gotta love ip search software, LOL. I’m an avid user myself. Thanks for sharing that. It just proves how Netwinner and it’s minions only have an interest in further degrading their members instead of honoring their commitments they made to them. Well done! Thanks for sharing your findings with us as well.
“Why does it even matter to you if we whine or not?”
These types of insecurities and blame are par for the course for them. Trust me.
lolol
Hahahaha OWNED!
here is mjp’s response to somneone asking why such low points:
I see what you are saying now. We have not been able to make the adjusts yet to complete the change. it will get better.
Thought they denied that the moneywheel was ‘tight’?
“I just posted on NW forum, asking Mike or a staff member to comment on paying bribes to keep some members quiet, I’m sure the post will be deleted or if they do respond I hold no credibility to their answer.”
This type of extortion is illegal on Netwinner’s part. To those who are filing BBB complaints and have had this happen to you, please remember to include and bribes attempts made to you by Netwinner in exchange for requests to be quiet. If you did not accept or accepted your past due payments but did not agree with the conditions of the request, you won’t be in any trouble. Netwinner will be though for offering this type of bribery and extortion to you. Keep all written or recorded proof and submit it if you have it with your complaint. You will be fine. They won’t though.
OMFG – It will get better????????????????? Good God, haven’t we heard that enough????
ughhh,,,,,he keeps saying “it will get better”..and this has been going on for a year,,,,and see where they are now….going downnnnnnnnnnnnhill. I could just kick myself for playing so long
HOW LOW OF THEM TO POST ON HERE saying that crap netwinner shame on you shame shame
plus what is this 40% cheaters grabage
you must put in a code to verify yourself everyone uses this now and no one else has problems with this..so tell me HOW DO YOU CHEAT??
” karen said:
Yes they did deny that. Why on earth would they have to make adjustments to something that wasn’t a problem? It must be hard for Mike to remember every lie he’s told and consequently he makes these obvious mistakes. Oopsy.
here is mjp’s response to somneone asking why such low points:
I see what you are saying now. We have not been able to make the adjusts yet to complete the change. it will get better.
Thought they denied that the moneywheel was ‘tight’?”
Good eye!
What’s lost on all of these NetWinner apologists , is that if they truly think it is legal and ethical to retro actively change the terms of the agreement between the site and the members , what on earth makes them think this won’t happen again ?
If NetWinner is still losing money next month , but the owners and employees want to gravy train as long as they can ,what will keep them from again changing the terms yet again ? If someone were actually to win the $50,000 prize or jackpot , can you apologists actually believe it would be paid ?
Using your thinking , it would be perfectly ethical for NetWinner to not pay the winnings , based on financial problems or some other excuse . You would hang on and defend them because the forum is so much fun and I made friends there . Please . These people are thieves . Mike is still getting paid . But you are not . And you side with him and the other crooks at NetWinner ? I think you folks need to look in the mirror and have a reality check .
I just want to squeeze his (mike) head, geez…he is in fantasyland
“California is probably more liberal than North Carolina though.”
Here’s how the jurisdiction game works: California has no juridiction here except as a member of the Federal Government which has ultimate jurisdiction. Secondary jurisdiction is held by North Carolina. Other than that, the State of California is considered an interested party in any action that is taken which acts on behalf of it’s members (residents).
SOMEONE ON THE FORUM SAID
no it wasn’t bogus call I recieved a call from Matt and recieved 1 of my owed cashouts just yesterday! we tryed to warn people but were told to hush our being paid it was aimed towards us gripers and complainer’s I feel horrible having been paid 100 of what was owed to me when so many others got S#*T on
I felt I needed to set the record straight about continuing my participation with Netwinner: I just can’t do it; they have betrayed my trust and don’t seem to care one whit about loyal players.I don’t trust them anymore.
Feel free to read my comments about Netwinner’s latest actions on my new Squidoo lens (page) called “Netwinner: We Played – They Flayed”. (Just click on my name). (I hope they let me leave this up but I don’t know….).
Feel free to leave a comment but please KEEP IT CLEAN!
**Becky, I reposted your post about “what to do” on my Squidoo page — if this is not OK with you, please e-mail me!! thanks.
“http://www.ncdoj.com/consumerprotection/cp_complaints_instructions.jsp
(it wants a copy of the terms of service- it matters what they were when you cashed in your “reward” NOT NOW it is not retroactive!)”
If you don’t have a copy of the old TOS, use your confirmation emails as proof of the contract you entered into Netwinner. Those prize receipts show proof of what was agreeable and acceptable to both sides and is legally binding in this case just as an old copy of the TOS would be.
“Funny thing is the mods are still doing thier thing over at NWC. Hey how about you get a life lisa and stop fooking with ours.”
Insecurity, blame and hostility run rampant over there. We should expect it from them here too. Feel sorry for them as it’s the only behavior they seem to know. Understanding, empathy and caring for others and just a plain willingness to want to help people are foreign concepts to them. They do what’s in their pocket’s best interest.
Had a real interesting day …filed a complaint with BBB and Attorney General ,called various media studios THEN got a call offering “hush hush” money (a portion of what is owed me),and more points added to my account….OH BOY!!!What good points are to me when Im never playing at NW again? Yall shoulda heard how this @sshole was snickering when he said,” must be 50,000 people severely pissed at me today” ……..I am more pissed today than yesterday now ……..I took the “hush hush” money,but I did let him know I just dropped my complaint to the attorney General in the mailbox ..LOL ..(it was a public mailbox that cant be retrieved once dropped)
….He sounded very nervous to say the least,so yall get those complaints in
” lisa6948146 said:
I DID NOT post that My sister did that. I wasnt gonna say anything but i am not gonna take the blame for something i did not say. Look at the typing it is totally different. I can have her post if you want but i DID NOT!!!!! post that
”
Just as I am not posting this reply I suppose. Get a clue lisa. No one’s buying your eyelash batting, hair twirling, gum chewing response here girly.
Oh yes, I agree with outsider81 http://www.Moola.com is a far better and equal opportunity site for all it’s members. Better security measures put forth for stability to prevent a situation like “going broke” and not being able to fulfill it’s agreement of prizes to it’s members how have strenuously earned it.
Also, gottaluvpugs if they did not hide their names NetWinner would try to use that as the reason as to why they will not be receiving their gifts so they can cover their asses in the event of a lawsuit!
“One assumes you can get some sort of licence”
Yes the state does require a license as all states that allow and contests, gambling, lotteries or other games of chance do.
” Anonymous said:
I am pretty hazy how Netwinner could legally run sweapstakes in the first place. According to NC law http://www.gambling-law-us.com/State-Laws/North-Carolina/ any lottery using any type of token (including points one would imagine) that isn’t run by a registered charity or the state is illegal – you don’t need to have paid cash for the ticket directly. One assumes you can get some sort of licence – question is did they?
Not sure about other states but I am fairly certain it’s also illegal in Canada to offer prizes for a game of chance (real companies have a legal loophole situation where Canadian winners are required to answer a simple maths question so that is technically is a test of skill and not chance – nothing in the T&C’s mention this though so if they did ask one and you got it wrong they would be in legal problems).
Not that these people seem the sort that would bother with the law in the first place but it looks on the surface (I am not a lawyer) to be enough to have all the management of the company criminally prosecuted in NC and possibly in other states & provinces as well.
”
Well done investigation! Thanks for the information
” lisa’s dog said:
no, i typed it on her computer without her permission it wasn’t her REALLY!!!!
”
Haaaaaaaaaaa!
SORRY FOR THE CAPS BUT CHECK THIS OUT —
this is the first post this guy ever made in forum and he was banned from forum by the time i got back this afternoon and read it -
“I’m curious as to why the mods/admins appear to have been paid – when you see there name in the winners list on game site at the left they all have less than 100k points and many only have few hundred – hard to believe since payments only went to some people in November that they havent played or gotten points since before that – hmmmmmmmmmmm”
” getajob said:
ok my sister lisa DID NOT POST THAT I did and im sick and tired of you people bashing her I don’t volunteer for Netwinner but, I have the right to say what I want to defend her I am sorry Lisa I never thought my posts would get you lynched.
oh well these people will decided what they want I will leave you losers alone.
”
So your other personality doesn’t realize you receive a stipend lisa? You should probably see a professional about that.
” Rich said:
Update, Mike answered my post and said this in response to why some people were paid bribes to keep quiet ahead of others waiting for redemptions:
“I though it was a bad idea and I said so when i learned it was going to happen.”
For those of you that would like to see that I am not taking it out of context, feel free to view:
http://www.netwinnercentral.com/view_topic.php?id=4154&forum_id=6
”
Is Mike still trying to pretend he has integrity? I guess he doesn’t realize that people are no longer buying what he has to say. Nor do we have much interest other than a good laugh we so richly deserve at this point. Thanks for verifying the hush money payments though Mike. That is much appreciated.
” getajob said:
oh well it don’t matter if the the owner of this site wants to talk to both me and lisa at the same time ill email her my phone number. so i can prove what i wrote is not her
”
Perhaps not sitting by the phone and instead seeking professional help would be a better use of that time.
” Becky said:
NetWinner’s ISP was squarely nailed for the first anonymous “Get a life” comment. As for the second, Lisa, whether your fingers typed it, you dictated it, or your dog did it, a person is judged by the company he keeps, and when you associate with liars, nobody’s going to give you the benefit of the doubt. Are you still a mod? I think the answer to that question will say more about your character than any other words you or your sister could type. Actions speak louder.”
And Becky calls BINGO! from the back of the room…
Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner!
” Anonymous said:
WTG everyone!
Becky, I guess starting a new post didn’t stop the double comments from being posted
I apologize for all this extra work you are doing. But I also thank you profusely for allowing us to continue with our comments/chat between ourselves about what has happened here. It does serve a purpose. It gets out all the hard feeling and allows information to pass through that could help those that have been mistreated and used by NW and the mods. Maybe something good can still come of all this. Not from NW of course..
”
From all of the teamwork I see going on here, I’d say quite a bit is being accomplished.
It would be cool to ping the locations of their IP’s. I would love to show up at one of these admins or mods door stp and see if they as brave as they act over the internet calling people “losers” and telling them to “get jobs” or “get a life”.. It is possible!
” Yeah Rich said:
It’s a shame your post was already locked Rich but I really admire how respectful and intelligent you post was it was straight to the point and not aggressive in the least. For the following poster to react the way they did is the same defensiveness we are seeing again and again from people who just will not admit what happened was very wrong and Netwinner should be held accountable for their actions.
”
You’re right ofcourse. It is now as it has always been useless to try to have an honest conversation with any of Netwinner’s staff, forum staff or minions. They only spew judgement and smoke and mirrors when it suits their egos or to try to cork a problem instead of solving it.
No one here has to explain their personal employment situation to Netwinner ever. They just make lame exclamations of “get a job!” in the dim hopes of distracting everyone here from the real problem and the task at hand.
Netwinner, you’re pathetic to try that tactic on people you’ve already lied to, lied about and hurt over all. None of us are impressed that you would stoop that low but we do expect it. Thanks for stopping by.
Yesssssss!
“Bobt1956 yahoo id is: jrtemp1956@yahoo.com, he is on Yahoo Msg. right now, and he lists his occ. as a Systems Analyst.”
Bob hasn’t worked as a systems analyst in years. He told me this himself.
I agree that it is amazing that the majority here are really working towards a common goal..Some are just here for comic relief..and I guess we need that Too!.
I too am grateful to Becky for allowing us to have a space where we Dont have to deal with the “Netford wives” who are still doing the same old same old..”I Wub Netwinner” Garbage..
I feel like giving them a slap upside the head so that the hamster starts running on the wheel again.Not so ironically these are the very people who over the last few months were chanting the “They Will pay” mantra..Oh and Surprise surprise they are now posting about their great “wins” on one of the partner sites..
You know what I Say?BULL! I see this as nothing more than MORE smoke and Mirrors..Imaginary “winners” or even worse Netwinner zombies who will say Anything they can to keep Netwinners cash cow alive.
I agree that it is amazing that the majority here are really working towards a common goal..Some are just here for comic relief..and I guess we need that Too!.
I too am grateful to Becky for allowing us to have a space where we Dont have to deal with the “Netford wives” who are still doing the same old same old..”I Wub Netwinner” Garbage..
I feel like giving them a slap upside the head so that the hamster starts running on the wheel again.Not so ironically these are the very people who over the last few months were chanting the “They Will pay” mantra..Oh and Surprise surprise they are now posting about their great “wins” on one of the partner sites..
You know what I Say?BULL! I see this as nothing more than MORE smoke and Mirrors..Imaginary “winners” or even worse Netwinner zombies who will say Anything they can to keep Netwinners cash cow alive.
” getajob said:
you people are something else
”
Thank you. We pride ourselves on truth and ingenuity. Thanks for stopping by lisa.
” May 13, 2008 1:23 PM
Cuffedaddy said:
I am still trying to figure out who I insulted?
”
We’re still trying to figure out why you’re here. Ok that’s a lie. We figured it out a long time ago. You’re just not good at it. Thanks for stopping by. Really. I mean it. Honest.
” acsfl said:
My gawd, this is better than any soap opera I could watch while sitting on my lazy a$$(as some of the mods would call it) eating bon-bons.
”
Think of this as a potluck supper. I brought cake! All are welcome to it.
” Canuck said:
If your a Netwinner employe stay atay there and chat with your players not here cuffedaddy
”
No let him stay. I missed out on Cinco De Mayo this year and would like a few swings at a bloated pinata.
To stick around and moderate a site who is treating it’s members like that means they are not being mistreated as the rest of the members are. They must be receiving payment in some sense to stick around instead of being volunteers as they claim. Another lie…. I wouldn’t be surprised!
”
MJP is now living in a fantasy world…
http://www.netwinnercentral.com/view_topic.php?id=4126&forum_id=6&jump_to=145205#p145205
Said that all this is just fantasy…
”
Chickens with no heads have to live in a fantasy world. It’s really all they have left, the poor dears.
WHAT DOES BOBT have to do with anything??
I am going to toss my two cents in here now. What Netwinner is doing is reorganizing without the benefit of Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection. If they want to reorganize and wipe out debts (which is exactly what they did to any and all owed money) then they need to retain a high priced attorney and file for Chapter 11 protection. It is my opinion that they don’t want the stigma of bankruptcy attached to their brand name. As it is, I am not redeeming any points for worthless sweeps draws. I think doing that is a tacit agreement that you are “ok” with their little Monday surprise and I plan to print out various documents (including their email refusal to pay me my B&N card) and attach it with the email sent out to some members regarding their justification for what they did and why and let the chips fall where they may. A lot of work for $25 card they owe me? Yes. But I am hoping that the NCDOJ office will take notice and begin an investigation. I urge anyone who is owed gift cards/e-count to email them demanding them so that they will shoot you down and you have just one more piece of the paper trail. For those who never got an email when you confirmed, their response should serve as an acknowledgment of their debt owed to you.
” notbobt said:
games.groups.yahoo.com/group/netwinner_players
bobt is in there as we speak chatting with some sheep,,, jrtemp1956 yahoo id!!! reach out and chat with him!
”
Wasn’t it Dionne Warwick who sang, “Reach out and touch, somebody’s hand. Make this world a better place, if you can.”? Yes, let’s all reach out and “touch” Bob. Although I’m sure he’s pretty busy listening to his favorite song, “I Touch Myself”. Not much of a giver, that one.
” May 13, 2008 2:29 PM
ShansGram said:
i was in that thread a few minutes ago where he said he was sorry that happend..actually his response to rich was I am sorry this happened with prizes, but there is nothing I can do now. When the thread continued to question him about people getting paid for hush. he posted that the thread served no purpose and closed the posting to it. I went to the gripers thread and asked him this: ”
He doesn’t deserve any response except your middle finger. Show him how much his words mean to you like so: ..l.. The universal symbol for giving the finger on internet message boards. So easy, even Mike can learn it! Maybe.
heck, if nw paid me i might be here and in forum singing their praises and insulting everyone who disagrees with me too
i would be scared to go out in public though after what my company had done to so many people
people who played in good faith and even clicked on the ads as mods asked to help nw out and even signed up for offers from some of the companies to help nw out and expected nw to honor their continued promises to pay us what we had cashed in for
i am not surprised that guy got banned for his very first ever post in forum because he pointed out that the mods must have gotten paid
i am surprised they just banned him, shouldn’t they have deleted that post entirely? maybe the mods are all busy out shopping with their new ecards
” Canuck said:
I asked Netweinner if I could exchange the points for toilet paper and then when I looked it was erased?
”
Tell them you have solved the problem by printing your account page and that it sufficed for your purposes. Don’t forget to thank them for being so accomodating!
” May 13, 2008 3:12 PM
acsfl said:
yep, I posted a reply to that thread that those mods(and their sisters!!) have been over here slamming and name-calling and telling us to get real jobs. It was deleted before I even refreshed the page.
”
When you want to post something there, also open a window to your mail program and copy and paste it there. When it disappears from the forum, send a copy of your post to arion.hardison@netwinner.com He is Mike’s boss.
” May 13, 2008 3:15 PM
Rich said:
Me thinks me is about to get banned at NW LOL
”
It’s ok, I was banned from there a long time ago for giving too much of a damn about how members were being treated.
Can’t have that now can we?
The entire fulfillment thread is deleted now.
” May 13, 2008 3:24 PM
Anonymous said:
I think people need to spend their time complaining to the BBB and the other appropriate places instead of saying nasty things about the mods. It is the NW owners/head honchos that are responsible- beat on them! I have stopped playing and am very disappointed it has came to this. Shame on the NW owners.
”
Don’t worry about us. Many of us are capable multi-taskers! We thank you for your concern however. Thanks for stopping by. Kiss kiss.
mike says
I have worked here almost two years. I have never not been paid. I have been treated well by everybody in the company. I know, we know what we did this week was wrong, but it was the only option other than closing doors. If we do go under so be it, but you are wrong about me and about the compnay
NOTICE THE WHAT WE DID PART
No one here has to explain why they played or why they expect Netwinner to uphold their contract either to Netwinner or it’s lackeys. You played because you felt like it and they did not honor the contract.
It’s that simple Netwinner, it really is.
Then let NetWienner close their doors or even let US close our accounts so they won’t have members showing up so they can collect money from new customers.
Does anyone lives near by their office? Is it still there or is it a postal box?
” May 13, 2008 3:31 PM
Gotcha said:
For obvious reasons I can’t say who I am, but I got big news for Netwinner – thanks to my son’s psychotic ex-girlfriend, my phone is currently recording all calls, including the one to accept money to be quiet…oh and directing me to connectingmoms for a new Netwinner contest.com — I can’t wait for the Spin report from prison!
”
w00t!
” May 13, 2008 3:40 PM
Aaron said:
Oh my no, I was baned at NWC. Whatever will I do?!?! ”
You shall have some of our potluck cake ofcourse!
“Who’s going to do a video response to the Spin Report? Anyone?”
Well I guess if anyone would like to see my response of showing Netwinner my middle finger for 30 seconds, I believe I can accommodate this request.
Aaron said:
Well now I can’t stop getting E-mail from reply posts from NWC and I can’t log in to stop it, guess they get the spam button.
Don’t forget to his that button again the next time one of Netwinner’s LieLetters comes out too!
real mature
I’m 16. And I signed up for netwinner I thought it would be cool to get some extra cash and maybe buy a gf with the cash:P well, ok maybe not a gf, but I thought it would be really sweet to get some extra cash, So I signed up..and all was good, tell they got rid of there prize drawings.. now most of you out there are probably like “who cares what this kidd is saying” but ill tell you this, when your dads a general attorney its pretty cool, when all you have to do is show him these comments:] and thats what I have done. So Netwinner, you are going to have a case on your hands:]
” May 13, 2008 3:48 PM
Rich said:
Too articulately? But according to Mike he is a journalist, you’d think he could handle words over 3 letters long.
”
Mike’s translation of a journalist is someone who posts on many forums. That means we’re all journalists too! Yay! We can spell it and everything!
” Anonymous said:
always thought mjp65 had bad language/spelling. Could not understand why NW hired him. Oh and yes, quite rude as well.
”
And another Bingo! is called from the back of the room. Winner!
” May 13, 2008 4:09 PM
isitrigged said:
Yes! Finally they fall flat on their faces.. I tried to warn everyone that NetWinner was a scam over 4 months ago. When Banko was released as beta I was ripped off a couple of times (once being the Jackpot). So I decompiled the flash game and discovered compelling evidence that the games are rigged.
But why rig the games? Well if they can control when you win and how much you win then they can manage how much they give out and how much they profit (Not a bad thing). But they were advertising their site and their games as a game of chance with a set percentage of winning. If they control who wins when they win and how much they win then that percentage and their claims of being a game of chance in not true at all.
I called it even before it happened, they got rid of cash prizes all together and have now made your chances of winning even slimmer, while those dumb enough to waste their time is racking in some serious revenue money for them..
Check out my blog for more.. http://isitrigged.wordpress.com
”
My goodness but we have a lot of Bingo!s this evening! Another winner!
I told them this almost two years ago and was lied to about and banned from the forum. Oh my Netwinner. Is that supposed to be meaningful? It never negated what you were doing and that others would find this little nugget and post it as well. You knew this though when you saw it posted on my website too didn’t you? Or were you too busy being self-satisfied contemplating your navel lint in your cocoon of lies, Netwinner? Either way, you never were good at fixing things. Just lying about them. Your cluelessness makes it so much easier to out you. Thanks!
Filed my BBB claim today. It’s not the money, but I can’t stand the way these people operate.
” May 13, 2008 4:29 PM
Anonymous said:
no need to bash the mods! Lay it off! I no longer play for your information- and my anger/disappointment is towards the NW honchos..not the mods for goodness sake! Why can’t some people understand that?
”
Oh my! Posting an answer to someone’s question with a video made by the mods is “Lay it on” (using your horrendous paraphrasing there). You have quite a bit to learn about how conversations work. I would like to help you improve your skills in this area. Please answer the following questions out loud. No need to post your responses here as this is a self-help exercise created especially for you:
1. What is your favorite color?
2. What is your favorite flavor of ice cream?
3. Who do you think you are trying that sh*t when we all know you’re just trying to get attention.
See? That wasn’t so hard was it? Using this style of communication is called “having a conversation on a bulletin board or internet forum”. Pretty neat huh?
Please take what you have learned here and apply it all over the internet. You will be having conversations in no time! Instead of just blurting out random, hostile, clueless remarks.
*Reading would also be helpful.
Thanks for stopping by!
” May 13, 2008 4:35 PM
justgranny said:
I know my opinion is as valuable as all those useless points that were “traded” ”
No. You’re wrong about that. Your opinion is very valuable here.
” May 13, 2008 5:51 PM
ME said:
HOW LOW OF THEM TO POST ON HERE saying that crap netwinner shame on you shame shame
plus what is this 40% cheaters grabage
you must put in a code to verify yourself everyone uses this now and no one else has problems with this..so tell me HOW DO YOU CHEAT??
”
Remember who is telling you this. Netwinner. The company who lied about everything else. As always their accusations against the player base as whole are unfounded and more smoke and mirrors they use to attempt to get you to turn away from the real problem. Netwinner and it’s business practices.
Did anybody happen to get a record of the fulfillment thread before they deleted it? And better yet, before they edited all the “promises” out?
” May 13, 2008 6:18 PM
knothead said:
SORRY FOR THE CAPS BUT CHECK THIS OUT —
this is the first post this guy ever made in forum and he was banned from forum by the time i got back this afternoon and read it -
“I’m curious as to why the mods/admins appear to have been paid – when you see there name in the winners list on game site at the left they all have less than 100k points and many only have few hundred – hard to believe since payments only went to some people in November that they havent played or gotten points since before that – hmmmmmmmmmmm”
”
Yes, this observation is right on the money (no pun intended). When points for the mods go down in large increments at a time like that, they do not even have the excuse that they used their points for raffle entries. They would only go down by small increments at a time as raffle entries are in the very low point range. Good eye!
” May 13, 2008 6:29 PM
anonymous187 said:
It would be cool to ping the locations of their IP’s. I would love to show up at one of these admins or mods door stp and see if they as brave as they act over the internet calling people “losers” and telling them to “get jobs” or “get a life”.. It is possible!
”
Oh I doubt you’d be met with anything remotely resembling bravery.
Well, I guess my post of “poof, gone” in the where did the fulfillment thread go post got me banned…. wooohooooooooooooooo…..
So, I guess I’ll get my NW news here.
” May 13, 2008 6:39 PM
Not hard to guess who I am said:
I agree that it is amazing that the majority here are really working towards a common goal..Some are just here for comic relief..and I guess we need that Too!.
I too am grateful to Becky for allowing us to have a space where we Dont have to deal with the “Netford wives” who are still doing the same old same old..”I Wub Netwinner” Garbage..
I feel like giving them a slap upside the head so that the hamster starts running on the wheel again.Not so ironically these are the very people who over the last few months were chanting the “They Will pay” mantra..Oh and Surprise surprise they are now posting about their great “wins” on one of the partner sites..
You know what I Say?BULL! I see this as nothing more than MORE smoke and Mirrors..Imaginary “winners” or even worse Netwinner zombies who will say Anything they can to keep Netwinners cash cow alive.
”
Why am I not surprised that these people who are posting their “big wins” don’t realize that 0 chance of winning 0 prizes equals 0? Too many Twinkies killing the brain cells? Or is it what’s in the kool-aid over there. The kool-aid payoffs do explain so much I think.
” May 13, 2008 6:47 PM
Anonymous said:
To stick around and moderate a site who is treating it’s members like that means they are not being mistreated as the rest of the members are. They must be receiving payment in some sense to stick around instead of being volunteers as they claim. Another lie…. I wouldn’t be surprised!
”
Yes, it’s already been proven that they were. Others have admitted this being the case as well. Both mods and players who did not agree to accept what was owed to them (anyway) as hush money. All neatly wrapped up with a slimy, Netwinner bow.
” May 13, 2008 6:49 PM
Anonymous said:
WHAT DOES BOBT have to do with anything??
”
Read yesterday and today’s threads here for the answers you seek. If you still need help then by all means ask again.
The next time any of the Netwinner lackeys chime in with that tired “At least I’ve got the guts to use my real name” jazz. Ask them to post:
1. A copy of their driver’s license clearly showing all identifying information including their photo.
2. A photo of their face next to their post.
3. A screenshot of their ip identifying information which can be obtained at a plethora of websites free of charge.
Becky can then confirm the ip information matches on all three submissions and then and only then will we agree that someone is using their real name here. Since certain people feel the need to harp on the subject by making demands for identification, I feel they should be the first ones to provide it.
If they agree to these terms…they are ofcourse fools. No one in their right mind would request any such thing or even care about the piddly matter of forum user names when there are bigger fish that are actually worth frying.
I’ve got a big frying pan and it’s waiting for a NetwinnerFish. Got my pole and my basket. What do you got Netwinner? What do you got? You got air, that’s what. Right between your corporate and lackey ears if you think we’ll fall for your requests being remotely logical instead of what they are: bullying.
ID Snoops, thanks so much for completely missing the point of an open discussion forum and as always…for stopping by.
” May 13, 2008 6:56 PM
knothead said:
heck, if nw paid me i might be here and in forum singing their praises and insulting everyone who disagrees with me too
i would be scared to go out in public though after what my company had done to so many people ”
I have to disagree.
Any mod who wants to come here, confess their sins and prove that they are no longer a mod while spilling their guts should be welcomed with open arms. If for nothing else, for coming to their senses.
“mike says
I have worked here almost two years. I have never not been paid. I have been treated well by everybody in the company. I know, we know what we did this week was wrong, but it was the only option other than closing doors. If we do go under so be it, but you are wrong about me and about the compnay”
Did somebody say something? Let me rephrase that…
Did somebody who is NOT a lying POS scam artist say something? No? I thought not.
” May 13, 2008 7:09 PM
Canuck said:
Then let NetWienner close their doors or even let US close our accounts so they won’t have members showing up so they can collect money from new customers.
Does anyone lives near by their office? Is it still there or is it a postal box?
”
As mentioned in the other thread, you could always call here to find out where it is: 704 654 0726
Isn’t it poetic justice that the same tool they used to exploit everyone is the same one that allows us to expose them for the lowlife pondscum they are? I just wonder how anyone with an ounce of self-respect could continue to work (paid or not) for a company who not only cheats and steals, but then laughs at the people who played their game? Luckily Charles Manson is in prison because it looks like he’d have some new followers to choose from to do his evil!
” May 13, 2008 7:18 PM
Anonymous said:
real mature
”
Thank you, it’s fun. It’s about time something related to Netwinner was fun again! =)
hi all
i have a question perhaps someone with a legal background could answer.
once a person is informed of a scam being committed and they still continue to promote said scam can they now be held just as guilty as the person/persons who started the scam.fraud.
in otherwords seeing as the mods are now aware of what is going on and that netwinner does not intend to pay the thousands and thousands of people that are owed money would the continued promotion by the mods now constitute fraud on their part as well?
Quote: Thank you, it’s fun. It’s about time something related to Netwinner was fun again! =)
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
” May 13, 2008 7:26 PM
Buddy said:
Filed my BBB claim today. It’s not the money, but I can’t stand the way these people operate.
”
Yay! Thanks so much for helping everyone here by doing that. Have a piece of delicious potluck cake and a cup of coffee. We’re glad you’re here!
” acsfl said:
Well, I guess my post of “poof, gone” in the where did the fulfillment thread go post got me banned…. wooohooooooooooooooo…..”
Care for some cake? We have plenty.
Well what I get for posting here defending something that I believe in? I get people calling my GRANDMOTHERS house harrassing her and telling her I am affliated with liars, cheats etc. Its one thing to call me but to call family memebers come on folks. It needs to stop. Thank you for your time
” May 13, 2008 8:24 PM
Tinkertoo (not BANNED here) said:
Isn’t it poetic justice that the same tool they used to exploit everyone is the same one that allows us to expose them for the lowlife pondscum they are? I just wonder how anyone with an ounce of self-respect could continue to work (paid or not) for a company who not only cheats and steals, but then laughs at the people who played their game? Luckily Charles Manson is in prison because it looks like he’d have some new followers to choose from to do his evil!
”
Yes, well Leslie Van Houten, convicted Manson looney was recently diagnosed with cancer. Perhaps the folks over at Netwinner are auditioning for who will be the lucky one to take her place?
” May 13, 2008 8:26 PM
bruce said:
hi all
i have a question perhaps someone with a legal background could answer.
once a person is informed of a scam being committed and they still continue to promote said scam can they now be held just as guilty as the person/persons who started the scam.fraud.
in otherwords seeing as the mods are now aware of what is going on and that netwinner does not intend to pay the thousands and thousands of people that are owed money would the continued promotion by the mods now constitute fraud on their part as well?
”
No need to be an attorney to answer this one.
Knowing about and/or aiding any person or entity in the commission of a crime (including keeping silent on one’s knowledge thereof), constitutes Aiding and Abetting which is ofcourse a serious felony. See the previous thread for a detailed description of this information in a link provided by our thoughtful webmistress Becky.
Cuffedaddy said:
Well what I get for posting here defending something that I believe in? I get people calling my GRANDMOTHERS house harrassing her and telling her I am affliated with liars, cheats etc. Its one thing to call me but to call family memebers come on folks. It needs to stop. Thank you for your time
It wasn’t me! My sister did it!!!
” Cuffedaddy said:
Well what I get for posting here defending something that I believe in? I get people calling my GRANDMOTHERS house harrassing her and telling her I am affliated with liars, cheats etc. Its one thing to call me but to call family memebers come on folks. It needs to stop. Thank you for your time
”
Well I guess you shouldn’t be associated with those types which would negate you having these problems. Hindsight is sooo 20/20 sometimes, isn’t it?
Thanks for stopping by, my favorite pinata!
I’ve read quite angrily all that has been going on the past few months. I never posted over at NW because I had nothing to add. I am only owed $25 plus I have 50,000 pts that I consider as another $50. Just letting you know that I filed a BBB report and my form to the AG is stamped and ready to go in the mail tomorrow
Hahahaha!!!
That hahaha was for You’reGoingDown’s post, luv, not yours. Sorry about that! I forgot to quote. Naughty.
Pinata huh, all Im going to say it needs to stop if the shoe was on the other foot I would not call someones house and harass and elderly woman
” May 13, 2008 8:43 PM
luvhockey said:
I’ve read quite angrily all that has been going on the past few months. I never posted over at NW because I had nothing to add. I am only owed $25 plus I have 50,000 pts that I consider as another $50. Just letting you know that I filed a BBB report and my form to the AG is stamped and ready to go in the mail tomorrow
”
“Only $25″ is more than only 0 and it rightfully belongs to you! Sit down, put your feet up and have some cake and coffee. We’re glad you’re here!
Read what this idiot just wrote on netwinner
It is under general questions and it says Get Over It
This is what I sent to Mike,
First of all, I just want to let you know that I have had so much fun playing the MoneyWheel and Banko. I also want to let you know that I am not going to rant and rave about the money that I have lost due to the changes being made. I thought that you would like to receive a thank you message from a member who appreciated the wal mart cards that were used for gas, groceries, etc. I think that a lot of members have forgotten the prizes that they have received.
I have been doing ‘reward programs’ for almost 10 years and I have seen them come and I have seen them go, too many to count, unfortunately. I do now know if you have heard of Beenz. Your situation is so like theirs was. Too much, too soon. I do not know what your plans are, or what the future will bring for Netwinner. I just want to let you know that there are those of us that understand that this is a free site where we were able to have fun and win great prizes and meet new friends.
What I do not understand is people take their ‘free time’ to play on a free site and then get bent out of shape when things go wrong. I have been on reward sites where one day they were there and then the next day they literally were not. No notice, no alternative for prizes, nothing.
I just tacked this one on:
I do not take away from my family time, my laundry time, etc. to do Netwinner. I have free time to play on a free site. Come on everyone, it’s not like they are closing their doors. If everyone would just say “OK let’s start over” instead of seeing how they can get Netwinner in trouble, they may actually be able to pull this off. Yes, they owed me money, $200.00 in fact and I could really, really, use it; but I am not going moan, groan, complain or threaten everyone over it.
Okay, let it come!
Right after that Mike has a post and it says I Love You
This makes me sick how some kiss butts are!
” May 13, 2008 8:47 PM
Cuffedaddy said:
Pinata huh, all Im going to say it needs to stop if the shoe was on the other foot I would not call someones house and harass and elderly woman
”
You reap what you sew, oh clueless pinata. You should know this by now if you’ve been acting so cluelessly your whole life. Oh what am I saying? You’re still doing it! LOL
You only care about the situation here when it affects you. As the ChurchLady would say, “How Conveeeeeeeenient!”
Would you like a kleenex?
This is what an idiot wrote on netwinner
It is under general questions and it says Get Over It
This is what I sent to Mike,
First of all, I just want to let you know that I have had so much fun playing the MoneyWheel and Banko. I also want to let you know that I am not going to rant and rave about the money that I have lost due to the changes being made. I thought that you would like to receive a thank you message from a member who appreciated the wal mart cards that were used for gas, groceries, etc. I think that a lot of members have forgotten the prizes that they have received.
I have been doing ‘reward programs’ for almost 10 years and I have seen them come and I have seen them go, too many to count, unfortunately. I do now know if you have heard of Beenz. Your situation is so like theirs was. Too much, too soon. I do not know what your plans are, or what the future will bring for Netwinner. I just want to let you know that there are those of us that understand that this is a free site where we were able to have fun and win great prizes and meet new friends.
What I do not understand is people take their ‘free time’ to play on a free site and then get bent out of shape when things go wrong. I have been on reward sites where one day they were there and then the next day they literally were not. No notice, no alternative for prizes, nothing.
I just tacked this one on:
I do not take away from my family time, my laundry time, etc. to do Netwinner. I have free time to play on a free site. Come on everyone, it’s not like they are closing their doors. If everyone would just say “OK let’s start over” instead of seeing how they can get Netwinner in trouble, they may actually be able to pull this off. Yes, they owed me money, $200.00 in fact and I could really, really, use it; but I am not going moan, groan, complain or threaten everyone over it.
Okay, let it come!
The comment after this was from Mike and he said I Love You
What a complete kiss butt this person is. They make me want to puke!
Well I’m finally caught up on all the comments from when I left for class tonight. I just want to add about the legal advice, it also doesn’t take a lawyer to know that being an accessory after the fact is the same thing as aiding and abetting, if you committ a serious crime (i.e. fraud), and tell someone about it or they gain knowledge of it (i.e. moderators have to know now that NW is a fraudulent company – making promises that it never intends to deliver on), then they must act by turning the criminal in or they are considered just as guilty. I would advise any volunteer moderator to carefully consider if a prison sentence for accessory to fraud is worth defending a company that has no ethics.
Here is another comment that somebody made on netwinner
i’m still trying to get referrals!
LONG LIVE NETWINNER!
the best site on the net!
PUKE! PUKE! PUKE!
Anyone know of a good lawyer that wants to work contingent. I would GLADLY hand over 25% of what I am owed if settled. Some lawyer could make a nice $$$ if a lot of people signed up!
I’ve been thinking about the mods.
Suppose we give them the benefit of the doubt and say they did not know this was coming (whoa, hold on, hear me out).
I hear their excuse for sticking around, “Because we have made so many good friends here.”
Which ones are your good friends? The ones who got screwed? Because any chance you had of being friends with the people you used to playfully banter with before is shot to hell if you continue on as a mod. They don’t respect you for staying with the company in an official capacity as a moderator. It makes you “THEM” instead of “US.” You *might* have a shot at salvaging some respect if you stood up for your FRIENDS by stepping down from your position.
Or maybe the “friends” the mods refer to are just the other mods.
I don’t have any stake in this — I don’t care if you stay or if you go — but from the outside looking in, it seems like the members feel just as betrayed by the mods, who they thought of as their friends, continuing on as volunteer employees of the company that screwed them. Can you blame them? Who would want to be friends with someone like that?
Whoo Hooo!! I was finally Banned at Netwinner!!and it was because of your latest pile of horse dung over there PuffeDaddy!
So Netwinner Central is one More step towards being Nothing but a “glee club”full of the self proclaimed sheep.
I am just dissapointed that I was banned for such a small ‘infraction’ NO Warning..just Poof there I was gone.
But what else should be expected from a forum that is now noting more than a propaganda tool for a site that is trying to desperately milk every last cent out of their advertisers before they finally carsh completely.Clean out the riff raff who are telling the truth and only show posts from people who are proclaiming their “wonderful, great Oh So yummy prizes from the love of their lives”that in all likelyhood they will NEVER receive..
This is actually a Very poor move for Net..winner,because up till now I was sitting on my hands..But come friday morning..I have a feeling the gloves will be off.Thats 48 hours of reprieve for them.
“Or maybe the “friends” the mods refer to are just the other mods.”
Another Bingo! for you Becky! It’s definitely your lucky night, I must say!
Not Hard to guess who I am:
I was banned for two words “poof, gone”. I got no warning either.
I never once had anything publicly bad to say about the mods. Before we all got ripped off and had our winnings taken away from us, I just thought they were very naive people who were clueless. Now that it’s out in the open and netwinner has screwed everyone out of their winnings, I see no excuse as to why someone would still want to volunteer for them. To continue to support a site by knowing it’s committing fraud makes them no better in my opinion.
I have filed a complaint with the BBB on May 5th and I plan on filing more complaints with other departments. This site needs to be put out of operations so not allowed to victimize more innocent people.
I never once had anything publicly bad to say about the mods. Before we all got ripped off and had our winnings taken away from us, I just thought they were very naive people who were clueless. Now that it’s out in the open and netwinner has screwed everyone out of their winnings, I see no excuse as to why someone would still want to volunteer for them. To continue to support a site by knowing it’s committing fraud makes them no better in my opinion.
I have filed a complaint with the BBB on May 5th and I plan on filing more complaints with other departments. This site needs to be put out of operations so not allowed to victimize more innocent people.
Chuffdaddy said:
Pinata huh, all Im going to say it needs to stop if the shoe was on the other foot I would not call someones house and harass and elderly woman
First off, I am NOT saying it’s OK to call anyone who is innocent and harass them (personally, I wouldn’t even call someone who was guilty – that’s what the Attorney General is for). But you need to remember that YOU came here first and started harassing others, amongst them, I’m sure, an elderly woman who never did anything to you.
i have a question for cuffdaddy
you said in a earlier this is what you get for coming here and posting about somethinmg you believe in. please enlighten me what part of netwinner do you believe in. the part where the site cheated thousands of people out of all that money.
or
do you believe in the part where the site changes the t.o.s. on a whim so that they ( think they are covered ) dont have to pay the money owed.
or
perhaps you believe that the people that have been playing at netwinner need to stop whinning and get a life. and put one foot in front of the other ( careful remember you also are one of us that played daily).
or
perhaps you like most of the mods in my beliefs are owners of the affiliate sites therefore would have a invested reason to back a company that has scammed so many honest players. so which is it hmmmmmm
you know what it really does not matter the way i look at it is anyone that has defended the site in the past ( before the letter from the president ) could be because they truly believed what they were fighting for and perhaps netwinner was going to pay. but now to defend a site has shown that they have no intension to pay the money they owe. why would a honest person defend a site that has acted in such a dishonest way.
i myself in the past few weeks was starting to think perhaps i could of misjudged netwinner because i got a payment on my ecount card for $25 on 5/5/08 of course i had cashed out for it on 11/5/07 so i thought ok so i was wrong netwinner is going to pay all they owe me . then first thing monday i open my email and find the letter from the president&COO. AND AT THAT POINT MY BELIEFS WERE REPLACED THAT THE SITE WAS A SCAM AND WAS INTENDING TO SCAM EVERYONE. so you tell us just what are your beliefs.
i guess you believe that people should just turn the other cheek and give netwinner a second chance. here is something for you and all the other people that still defend this site after has transpired in the past few days.
if you had a business and you hired a employee and that employee stole your bank deposit would you say oh well he made a mistake and thus give that employee a second chance or would you do the smart thing and have the thief arrested?
myself i would have the employee arrested just as i think should happen to each and everyone who is associated with netwinner who is aware of the actions of the company in the past few days. you can not know someone has commited a crime and still defend them and continue to promote them and help them to continue to commit the said scam doing so would mean that you also are now committing the same fraude. not even a defense attorney can know about a crime that is being committed and that could harm others either physically or financially and not say anything. because doing so would in turn mean they are an accessory after the fact.
Here’s my “resignation” from Netwinner – it’s what I posted this evening on the Netwinner forum. I think it only fair that I also deleted my original “lens” about Netwinner at Squidoo and replaced it with a “sadder but wiser” version. Feel free to visit (click on my name) and leave a comment (keep it clean, please).
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(NW FORUM POST)
I’ve been a Netwinner player since Sept. 2006. This WAS my favorite place on the net and I told LOTS of people about it.
I avidly supported NW and even set up a “lens page” on Squidoo about it (got some referrals that way). I posted ALL OVER THE ‘NET about what a great place Netwinner was.
The key here is the verb “WAS.” The deleting of my $200 cashout and turning it into raffles for prizes I don’t want or need was quite enough but to do it thousands of times over to all the Netwinner players on the pretense of fighting fraud goes beyond the pale. And while Netwinner was planning to take away our already redeemed prizes, they lied about it and reassured us every chance they got.
Netwinner has now betrayed our trust and I cannot in good conscience involve myself anymore, which is a shame because some of the people here are really great. Yeah, I could dump all my points into raffles and stick around for the contests, but I really just lost my enthusiasm and trust in Netwinner. I’ve had enough, really.
Good-bye, all.
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–Becky, I reposted your instructions on “what to do” — if this is not acceptable with you, please e-mail me! and by the way, thanks for all your support to all of us “former” Netwinner players. I tried posting this previously but it appears it didn’t “take” – my apologies if this turns out to be a duplicate post.
Well its official, I’m banned!
AHardison stopped by and said NW isn’t perfect and I said he had one thing right, because there is no such thing as the perfect crime and I am now banned LOL
gee, looks like they are on a banning kick. Glad they get such a thrill out of their power. Bite me.
This person just does not get it. Never understand why is she sticking up for netwinner. She is the one that started the topic Get Over It.
I was hoping for more of a response. If there were only more positive posts from people…maybe some of the naysayers would think twice. I am not saying that the people from NetWinner are perfect, they aren’t or we would not be here under these circumstances. But no one is perfect, and they did what they thought was right. And I am sure that there are plenty of members who will say that their idea of right is different than NetWinners. But how many of them have tried to start up an online company? How can they accuse when they have not been there? Just 2 cents worth (more) from JustDeb!
Should we have a “raffle” prize for the person who comes closest to guessing the amount of hours Netloser has to go before they are gone? I go first…Tuesday , May 20th at 8:30 a.m. — that is about when they will start receiving the BBB complaints! Oh, and according to the TOS of this raffle, there is not actually aprize, but I will double your bragging rights!
Do they think banning everyone from the forum is going to make us drop our complaints with the DOJ or BBB? If anything, it makes me think we have a stronger case!
Anyone who is calling and pranking the mods family members are cowards. Maybe you guys should try to be the bigger person and contact BBB and the attorney general rather than resorting to childish behavior.
To the mods that are being pranked (cuz i know they’re reading this) keep a record. You can go to the police over this.
I also sent a bunch of info to foxnew.com but I don’t have as much as many of you have. They love to investigate this kind of stuff, we’ll sic Geraldo on them!
Send any info and links to ureport@foxnews.com
I also sent a bunch of info to foxnew.com but I don’t have as much as many of you have. They love to investigate this kind of stuff, we’ll sic Geraldo on them!
Send any info and links to ureport@foxnews.com
The Federal Trade Commission also needs to be informed of what took place. There are specific rules, regulations and guidelines for the internet, most of which are applied to other types of advertising and marketing.
_____________________________________________________________
From: http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/buspubs/ruleroad.shtm
“The Federal Trade Commission Act allows the FTC to act in the interest of all consumers to prevent deceptive and unfair acts or practices. In interpreting Section 5 of the Act, the Commission has determined that a representation, omission or practice is deceptive if it is likely to:
-mislead consumers and
-affect consumers’ behavior or decisions about the product or service.
In addition, an act or practice is unfair if the injury it causes, or is likely to cause, is:
-substantial
-not outweighed by other benefits and
-not reasonably avoidable.
The FTC Act prohibits unfair or deceptive advertising in any medium. That is, advertising must tell the truth and not mislead consumers. A claim can be misleading if relevant information is left out or if the claim implies something that’s not true.”
_______________________________________________________________
Here is the complaint form: https://rn.ftc.gov/images/FTC_complaintlogo.gif
Hmm I think “you play, we pay” when they refuse to pay constitutes misleading consumers. Time to go complain to the FCC, hope I’m not the only one, thanks for the link thecommittee.
Hey why dont we form a facebook group I was ripped by Netwinner and then they banned me to shut me up!lol..
Note to self..
Creat facebook group 8AM friday;)
Tinker?? I take Monday the 26th of May because we all Know that no one other than the mods works weekends at Netwinner.
Oh and a funny..when I got the “you cant get in door” its says ..Contact no-reply@netwinner.com..
Now in MY experience No Reply means NO answer right?EVERY time I get this kind of email from a contest entry etc it means that it will NOT reply ebcause it is an automated response.hahahahahahaha!! How classically Netwinner!!
I’m not trying to start a let’s bash the mods post ( they pretty much did that to themselves lol). But I was just wondering if anybody knows how come Hardtimer hasn’t been on?
Something else of interest from the FTC link above:
“Third parties – such as advertising agencies or website designers and catalog marketers – also may be liable for making or disseminating deceptive representations if they participate in the preparation or distribution of the advertising, or know about the deceptive claims.”
Not hard to guess,
My theory is no-reply and support are interchangeable e-mail addresses in the NW domain. A form letter telling people they will get paid when they get paid (now changed to you’ll never get paid) is not support!
ughhhhh..has anyone noticed Mike’s new avatar over at NW ?????? ughhhhh
Nope, cuz I been banned
under the title, “administrator” is a picture of Abraham Lincoln
ughhh
Maybe it’s a wise choice for Hardtimer to NOT say anything?
After all, what is she going to say to change the thinking of a
lynchmob?
Jebbus, what an incredible ego monster
someone asked a question about why hardtimer has not been on. She and two other mods were hired by NW to assist Mike from what I saw posted.
I do not need to post why I believe, I do know the if the calls continue I will be filing charges. and I never harassed anyone.
Pkb143, thecommittee wishes to commend your moral fortitude and courage. Thank you, Madam or Sir, for recognizing wrongdoing and then doing something about it.
Ha! That’s funny, and proves Mike doesn’t know his history. After all, Honest Abe believed in paying people for their time and work…
Is Netwienner really big?
Iwas watching their spin reports and they have headquartes in a few states, or are they just playing with our heads and work out of their toilets.
Have some cake Not hard! You’ve earned it!
There are a ton of ways to get back into that forum. I’ve done it a million times.
The easiest is by first clearing your cookies and cache in your browser (and following the rest of these instructions).
Then shutting off your internet connection (or just disconnecting from the internet if you’re not using a router) for a minute, turning it back on and viola! You will be reassigned a new ip address.
Then go to the forum and sign up for a new account. If they’re still sending out confirmation emails or require an email, use a disposable one like yahoo.com with no identifying information.
Check your email and click the link to confirm (again, if this step is still necessary. It’s been a month or so since I clanged in there with my pirate’s eye patch and parrot on my shoulder so this step may no longer be necessary.)
Sign into the forum with your shiny new user name and post like a fiend.
If this doesn’t work, that means they’re banning by ip address. That’s ok, there are several ways to get around that as well.
A big bonus if they are banning by ip address is that if they do it that way now, they’ll be shutting out the kiss-asses in that ip range as well as you! Isn’t that spectacular?
I did this one time on a forum to prove a finer point by proxy server so that those who owned the forum could not even post on it. I guess they shouldn’t have lied so much or they wouldn’t have been so inconvenienced in that way. Oh well, que sera sera. All that would need to be done here would be for the ip used to be in Charlotte, NC.
The above was accomplished by using a proxy server and finding a ip address through proxy in the same area where their Nazi’s were posting from. Using a proxy server isn’t a crime by the way. All of you who use them no that, I’m sure. What is illegal is creating a denial of service attack through the use of too many connections.
So anyone who wants to point fingers at me for showing people how to get back into Netwinner’s forum because they feel like it, needs to realize that no laws are broken if they do. I also feel that those who have been unjustifiably removed for simply having an opinion should not have been removed in the first place. However, petitioning the forum staff, Mike or other Netwinner employees to rightfully regain access will get you nowhere. This will.
I won’t give further instruction on how to do any of the above, but I will tell you that this perfectly legal information is available on the internet.
Have a lovely evening.
Toilets is using the nice word for it, yes
Ha! That’s funny, and proves Mike doesn’t know his history. After all, Honest Abe believed in paying people for their time and work…
yeah…that is exactly what I thought and wanted to inform people. ha! I am just sick of this whole thing. Next week no more logging into netwinner. I have not used up my points yet. Don’t need or want any of those awful raffle prizes that I will most likely NOT win.
“under the title, “administrator” is a picture of Abraham Lincoln
ughhh”
this just confirms yet again how much of an a-hole mike is. no one in their right mind would change their avatar to abraham lincoln (aka Honest Abe!!) after what just happened at netwinner. if he doesn’t realize what he is doing by changing his avatar to abe, mike would offically be one of the most dense people this planet has ever seen.
good going, mike *rollseyes*
Maybe he’s from Bizaro Universe and is Dishonest Abe?
Has anyone else noticed that cuffedaddy, my favorite pinata has not so much as apologized for coming in here and telling members to get a job, etc? That he only came in here to claim that we are calling his grandmother?
I doubt anyone here would do that to your grandmother, pinata. But I guess it was the first thing to come to you (instead of honesty and integrity) because that’s what you’d do if you had the chance. Oh pinata, pinata, pinata…What a tangled but transparent web you weave!
Well done bruce & pkb! I always knew you had it in you!
Cake? Footstool? Coffee? There’s plenty you know 
i want to thank netwinner for treating me the way they did if not for them being so dishonest i never would of gone surfing the net for another game site to win money at. so thanks netwinner you are the best at breaking promises and forcing players to find other means of online fun. i do not want to post the name of the site here but if anyone wants to know the name please send becky a request i think i gave her the name of the site. i will not be wanting any referrals from this i just want to try and give a few of you a little of what netwinner has stolen from you and that would be the trust in online game sites. this site does not pay much only about .10 per day or if you are upgraded then .30 per day you can play as many games a day as you want but only get paid for 100 games daily. as i said send becky a request and i am sure she would love to have the referrals. the site also gives a small prize to each of the top 3 players on each of the 83 games that they have at this time. so becky i hope this bit of info is ok and for those of you that have lost time at netwinner i hope you can regain some faith at this site.
We can’t even believe you when you say someone is harassing your granny Mike. NW employees don’t have any cred now. Could be your just saying that hoping to make a few people feel bad. Sounds more likely. and if it has happened, go to granny and say “I’m sorry granny, I helped defraud 1000′s of people and they hate me and they hate me so much some of them harrased you.” But I’m sure your not telling granny you helped rip people off.
Thanks for the tips! I might use them at some time in the near future..Not to post really but to gather LOL..
To be honest..Mine was No doubt one of my far less” offensive” post Geez I didnt even get a chance to call anyone names..
and thanks for the cake..I Like mine chocolate please.
There is the saying, “If a tree falls in the forest, and nobody is around to hear it, does it make a sound?”.
I’d like to propose 2 variations:
“If a moderator sticks by a dishonest company, why would anyone call to harrass his grandmother who has nothing to do with anything?” It sounds like he just made it up to try and disparage the masses against him.
and “If a cell door slams shut, and terrible, awful things happen to Netwinner executives and staff in prison, does anyone really care?” lol
omg lol
I will try to log into Netwienner and put in a suggestion.
I’ll give them 1000 points for every rotten egg I can throw at them from 25 feet away, i’m being fair
Now the mods are playing the poor dead grandmother card-just like Johnny Fairplay of survivor fame. I am sure this is another lie!
Rich said:
I think I do just that. 
Well its official, I’m banned!
AHardison stopped by and said NW isn’t perfect and I said he had one thing right, because there is no such thing as the perfect crime and I am now banned LOL
LOL Good job! Brilliant!
May 13, 2008 9:29 PM
Rich said:
Do they think banning everyone from the forum is going to make us drop our complaints with the DOJ or BBB? If anything, it makes me think we have a stronger case!
Lots of Bingo!s here tonight. Congratulations Rich! You’ve won!
May 13, 2008 9:29 PM
Anon said:
Anyone who is calling and pranking the mods family members are cowards. Maybe you guys should try to be the bigger person and contact BBB and the attorney general rather than resorting to childish behavior.
Anyone who thinks that is really happening is at best a rube. I’ll be nice this time and not expand on that, though it is tempting because you make it so easy.
luvhockey said:
I also sent a bunch of info to foxnew.com but I don’t have as much as many of you have. They love to investigate this kind of stuff, we’ll sic Geraldo on them!
Feel free to copy and paste our complaints and relevent posts in your letter to any news station. I doubt anyone minds this issue getting more exposure!
Great post about the FTC, thecommittee!
Rich said:
Hmm I think “you play, we pay” when they refuse to pay constitutes misleading consumers. Time to go complain to the FCC, hope I’m not the only one, thanks for the link thecommittee.
No, you’re not.
2000 for a cowpie
Canuck,
Make sure after they accept your terms that you change your Terms of Rotten Egg Throwing to only be 1 raffle entry for every 10 rotten eggs thrown from 5 feet.
lol, that’s a great suggestion Canuck!!!
umm…thank you, but it took me a while to finally face the truth about Netwinner. I started having doubts when they did away with the lower cashouts, then really started having them when the “p*rn connection report” came out, but this last “change” just took me over the edge.
Perhaps Mike’s avatar as Abraham Lincoln since he presided over a great civil strife. However, I don’t think even Abraham Lincoln could have saved Netwinner in this case and could it be that Mike has forgotten that President Lincoln was assassinated!
i think i will post this tomorrow on ebay
for sale
714,000 only used one time points for netwinner. bids will start at .000001 buy now for .01 i know that is steep but i do have a bit over 14,000 points that have never been used so who knows
Hey YGDNetwinner,
What do I win for the bingos? Or is it a glitch? Or do I have to wait 6 months only to find out I didn’t really win?? LOL
Which reminds me. I wonder how all those schysters who were selling the “win free ecards. Email me to find out how!” and it was just a sign up link to NW. Wonder how they are doing now? LOL!
Rich is cheating along with 40% of other players, better punish everyone.
I’m sorry Rich, here’s some hush cake so you don’t tell anyone.
Oh no! I just realized who “Not hard to guess who I am” is. What a sad day to see or famously, fabulous member at netwinner central banned. It’s not going to be the same. No need to go there now. lol
Oh do tell, Mistyshadow! Plz!
Oh I’m sorry Aaron, I didn’t know watching ads while “playing” a “game” was considered cheating. lol My question is (not specifically directed at Aaron lol), if they knew 40% are cheating, why not ban the 40% and refuse to pay them? If the government adopts that theory, they will say 40% of people committ crimes, lets put everyone in jail. Or worse, 40% of people overseas are terrorists, lets blow up the world. Personally, I think all 3 sound ridiculous.
Excellent idea about the Facebook and MySpace groups, Not hard!
May 13, 2008 9:47 PM
thecommittee said:
Something else of interest from the FTC link above:
“Third parties – such as advertising agencies or website designers and catalog marketers – also may be liable for making or disseminating deceptive representations if they participate in the preparation or distribution of the advertising, or know about the deceptive claims.”
All true!
May 13, 2008 9:48 PM
Rich said:
Not hard to guess,
My theory is no-reply and support are interchangeable e-mail addresses in the NW domain. A form letter telling people they will get paid when they get paid (now changed to you’ll never get paid) is not support!
No, you’re right about that. You need to write to arion.hardison@netwinner.com and allen.dean@netwinner.com Those are the people who are responsible for the lies that trickle down to you now. Any Netwinner employee can be reached that way. Mike is mike.paluch@netwinner.com Know a name? Enter it into your email that way and let them know how you feel!
May 13, 2008 9:50 PM
Anonymous said:
under the title, “administrator” is a picture of Abraham Lincoln
ughhh
Oh that is funny, isn’t it? Is Mike so daft that he doesn’t realize that Honest Abe was against slavery among other things? He would’ve been better suited choosing Genghis Kahn or any number of people who’ve been in charge of certain northern Asian aggressionist countries.
May 13, 2008 9:53 PM
Anonymous said:
someone asked a question about why hardtimer has not been on. She and two other mods were hired by NW to assist Mike from what I saw posted.
Heh heh. Yes we really should’ve expected her to be sucked up into the vacuum of greed shouldn’t we? She’s always been one of their biggest liars.
Cuffedaddy said:
I do not need to post why I believe, I do know the if the calls continue I will be filing charges. and I never harassed anyone.
Crickets.
May 13, 2008 9:59 PM
Canuck said:
Is Netwienner really big?
Iwas watching their spin reports and they have headquartes in a few states, or are they just playing with our heads and work out of their toilets.
If said headquarters now include employees homes and phone lines then yes, they have multiple sites. Other than that, no they do not. It’s all about making themselves look like something they’re not. Remember that. What am I saying? Ofcourse you know that. A thousand pardons please.
May 13, 2008 10:18 PM
Aaron said:
We can’t even believe you when you say someone is harassing your granny Mike. NW employees don’t have any cred now. Could be your just saying that hoping to make a few people feel bad. Sounds more likely. and if it has happened, go to granny and say “I’m sorry granny, I helped defraud 1000′s of people and they hate me and they hate me so much some of them harrased you.” But I’m sure your not telling granny you helped rip people off.
Yes, that would be the right thing for cuffed daddy to do if this were happening, which we all know it is not. I give him a C for effort and an A in transparency.
Hey Aaron, don’t you think it’s funny that people who complained last week were paid behind closed doors, and people that complained this week are just banned? And Mike must really be fuming now that Becky has been gracious enough to let us vent some frustration here where he has no control over deleting and banning.
This was posted on NW by justdeb and see bobt1956 response- PUKE
I was hoping for more of a response. If there were only more positive posts from people…maybe some of the naysayers would think twice. I am not saying that the people from NetWinner are perfect, they aren’t or we would not be here under these circumstances. But no one is perfect, and they did what they thought was right. And I am sure that there are plenty of members who will say that their idea of right is different than NetWinners. But how many of them have tried to start up an online company? How can they accuse when they have not been there? Just 2 cents worth (more) from JustDeb!
Last edited on Tue May 13th, 2008 07:19 pm by JustDeb
another player posted this response to her: geez
I agree with you, deb. I of course was upset too, but I’m not going to dwell on it, that’s for sure. Life is too short, and I try not to sweat the small stuff–and to me this was small stuff. I think you will get more replys! Good luck to you!
and the response from bobt1956
Thanks JustDeb,
Good to see someone with a realistic and sensible attitude.
I guess they still don’t get it! I am so puzzled
Exactly right Rich. I myself doubt was hardly any fraud at all. Just another excuss to delay the inevitable. Frikkin security box pops up so often how can ya cheat? I guess it might be possible but I hardly think to many folks know how to go about setting something like that up.
Mistyshadow I agree. She cracked me up
and thank you Not hard to guess who I am for being so vocal there, you always told how it is.
Mike is telling me in PMs that someone is harassing Cuffedaddy’s grandparents by phone. I want to go on record as saying I do not approve of these tactics; as I posted earlier this morning I don’t think it’s right to punish family members by calling people at home regarding NetWinner. If you are doing this type of thing, please stop it immediately.
TBH, I really don’t think it’s actually happening. I think he’s just BS’ing to make us all look like a bunch of lunatics. I say prove it buddy!
you know i keep seeing comments about cheating from members and i ran accross this a few weeks ago. i think it would be ok to post this here and let others decide if they read the same thing i read in this about having multi accounts at netwinner read carefully here is the link and not to worry i have printed the screen because i know once i post this someone is going there to edit trust me this is something everyone will want to see. look half way down the page it will be a post from mike to hopingformiracles http://www.lottalottos.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1527&whichpage=84
I’m sure there might have been a few people that were expert programmers and could find a way to cheat. I for one, am no expert, although I have some programming experience it’s more limited to webpage development or applications on a personal computer. I wouldn’t even begin to know how to get around an image security box, nor do I care to learn how as I have much more important things to do with my time. So all of my “clicks” were by my own hand, while watching their ads, and suddenly we are all made to feel like cheaters.
I can vouch for moola.com, I have receved around 80$ from thier site.
Ok to continue my prior comment…
HOwever, I would also like to say that if that is actually happening, whoever it is is going waayy overboard. And yes, you are making us look like a bunch of lunatics. Please stop.
Indeed. And then mods come in here and say it was only a little of our time was all. $450 of my time Cuffliar, If not such a big deal how abouts you tell netwinner to pay me outa your winnings and bonuses?. Didn’t think so.
i agree there is no need to bother family members but i would like to know how a person could get the phone number for a relative. would they not have to first know who that persons relative was and seeing that would be the case then would cuffdaddy not be able to know who he referred or who may know who his grandmother is? so instead of coming here saying someone why not state they believe they know who it is and ask that person to stop. see myself i would rather stay on the side of right than lower myself to netwinner level and calling the mods family is doing just that.
It makes me sick to think I gave them the benefit of the doubt and stuck up for them until around January. Tlnblue, if you read this I owe you an apology for comments I made defending NW late last year, I was in the wrong to have ever believed Mike and his cohorts.
May 13, 2008 10:20 PM
Not hard to guess who I am said:
Thanks for the tips! I might use them at some time in the near future..Not to post really but to gather LOL..
To be honest..Mine was No doubt one of my far less” offensive” post Geez I didnt even get a chance to call anyone names..
and thanks for the cake..I Like mine chocolate please.
Think of a flavor and it is yours! We aim to please here at the comparerewards cafe
May 13, 2008 10:21 PM
Rich said:
There is the saying, “If a tree falls in the forest, and nobody is around to hear it, does it make a sound?”.
I’d like to propose 2 variations:
“If a moderator sticks by a dishonest company, why would anyone call to harrass his grandmother who has nothing to do with anything?” It sounds like he just made it up to try and disparage the masses against him.
and “If a cell door slams shut, and terrible, awful things happen to Netwinner executives and staff in prison, does anyone really care?” lol
Love, love, love it!
May 13, 2008 10:25 PM
sue said:
Now the mods are playing the poor dead grandmother card-just like Johnny Fairplay of survivor fame. I am sure this is another lie!
Don’t forget that Johnny was also voted out nice and early this last game. Learn from his mistakes if you’ve got it in you, Netwinner.
May 13, 2008 10:26 PM
bruce said:
2000 for a cowpie
You should lower that to one entry for a cowpie. To be fair and all.
May 13, 2008 10:31 PM
Rich said:
Hey YGDNetwinner,
What do I win for the bingos? Or is it a glitch? Or do I have to wait 6 months only to find out I didn’t really win?? LOL
Actually, unlike SOME PEOPLE we pay immediately on all Bingo!s. Please upgrade to one comfy recliner to go with your cake, coffee and footstool.
Anonymous said:
Which reminds me. I wonder how all those schysters who were selling the “win free ecards. Email me to find out how!” and it was just a sign up link to NW. Wonder how they are doing now? LOL!
Ripping people off for information that should be given away freely? 99 cents
Finding out you now are joining the ranks of rubes with useless points due to kharma’s bad self coming down on you like a ton of bricks? Priceless!
Mistyshadow44 said:
Oh no! I just realized who “Not hard to guess who I am” is. What a sad day to see or famously, fabulous member at netwinner central banned. It’s not going to be the same. No need to go there now. lol
Well if you scroll up a few posts, you’ll see she can still go there anytime she likes.
May 13, 2008 10:37 PM
Rich said:
Oh I’m sorry Aaron, I didn’t know watching ads while “playing” a “game” was considered cheating. lol My question is (not specifically directed at Aaron lol), if they knew 40% are cheating, why not ban the 40% and refuse to pay them? If the government adopts that theory, they will say 40% of people committ crimes, lets put everyone in jail. Or worse, 40% of people overseas are terrorists, lets blow up the world. Personally, I think all 3 sound ridiculous.
Yes, it is that easy to see through that crap isn’t it?
What’s all this toxic waste about “naysayers”. We turned in our cult robes when we found you out Netwinner. If anyone is a naysayer, it’s Netwinner’s supporters who are naysayers of the truth. Stop drinking that darned kool-aid you guys! You’re just embarrassing yourselves when it takes effect.
Thanks JustDeb,
Good to see someone with a realistic and sensible attitude.
I guess they still don’t get it! I am so puzzled.
This from someone who claims to have been an “analyst”. Can’t analyze the simple and obvious scam that is Netwinner Bob? Um, ok. I will donate one dollar to buying you some treatment at the nearest Netwinner Detox Center in the hopes that you may soon regain your former and alleged analytical abilities. C’mon folks! It’s a worthy cause! Ok, wait. I’ll use my “valuable points” instead. They are like gold you know. You’re worth it though Bob!
May 13, 2008 10:42 PM
Aaron said:
Exactly right Rich. I myself doubt was hardly any fraud at all. Just another excuss to delay the inevitable. Frikkin security box pops up so often how can ya cheat? I guess it might be possible but I hardly think to many folks know how to go about setting something like that up.
You can’t cheat the captcha box. They were claiming that auto-programs could be used prior to that feature being instituted. But auto programs can’t read the text. Only your eyes can do that. Really Netwinner! Trying that old schtick to blame the blameless is just embarrasing for you! I’d get out a kleenex if I cared about your embarrassment at this point though.
May 13, 2008 10:43 PM
Becky said:
Mike is telling me in PMs that someone is harassing Cuffedaddy’s grandparents by phone. I want to go on record as saying I do not approve of these tactics; as I posted earlier this morning I don’t think it’s right to punish family members by calling people at home regarding NetWinner. If you are doing this type of thing, please stop it immediately.
Oh gee, if Mike said it then it must be true, huh? I’m guessing Cuffe is harrassing his own grandmother to rationalize his complaint at best.
if i am not wrong you can find tlnblue at adverbux.com
As far as the fraud goes, I don’t know how prevalent this was, but my account was hacked into about a year ago.
Becky,
I was reading the messages and someone was fishing for cuffedaddy’s last name and I think cuffedaddy posted his last name here. You might want to check out who was asking him for his last name.
Cuff, stop handing out your grandma’s phone number then. I mean, how does anyone here have your grannies number? unless you gave it to them. Why would you do that? What a horrible brat.
No one was. He implied that someone was slandering him by calling him cuffed daddy. He then said it was slander to say that because his last name is cuffe. In other words, no one asked and he’s trying to create a situation that doesn’t exist. Surprised? I’m not.
Once again pinata, C for effort and A for transparency.
Some people never learn.
Honestly, I would encourage Cuffedaddy’s grandmother to file a police report. In most states, telephone harrassment is a misdemeanor and would be investigated. I think we are all adults here and should know better, so IF (and I do mean if since I believe about 40% of what Netwinner tells me, oops wrong decimal point, I believe about .00004% of what they tell me), and only if someone really is calling her then they should be turned into the police.
I think cuffdaddy’s name was rec’d off the video about all the NW mods. I think some of the full names of the mods are there. That’s my guess. Not nice or right at all to call. They should instead file a complaint about NW…not involve the mods.
May 13, 2008 11:08 PM
Rich said:
Honestly, I would encourage Cuffedaddy’s grandmother to file a police report.
The police don’t take kindly to police reports being filed and the wasting of their time by people with nothing better to do. That is in a nutshell what I think is really happening. It’s cuffed daddy’s MO after all.
If its slander or defamation of character, as I believe he also claimed, to make fun of someone’s last name, wouldn’t they need to send the FBI to every elementary school playground and arrest the little tykes? Now before the cuffedaddy supporters bash me, I’m not condoning making fun of last names, I’m simply saying that everytime someone says something distasteful doesn’t make it a crime. On the other hand, promising someone money by means of a legal contract without the intent to pay is a crime and I think Netwinner has proven it did not have the intent to pay everyone by calling a select few with what amounts to a bribe.
One more request, y’all: I know there are ways around being banned from NW’s forum but I think that gaining access to a computer system without permission (meaning, after your IP has been banned) could be illegal. Posting about how to do it here opens me up to potential legal liability, so I’d ask that you don’t. Hope you understand but I had to make that post go bye-bye. All for free speech but not for going to jail. I’m sorry!
Uh oh, hey YGDNetwinner, does that make me an accessory to file false police reports since I told him to file if it’s really happening? lol
No worries Becky, even though I wasn’t the one who posted that particular comment I do know that if we step out of bounds that your responsibility should first be to protecting yourself from liability. I was rather proud of being banned, actually tried to get banned, so now that I am I have no further interest in gaining access to their forums to read lies. I think you (Becky) have proven you stand for free speech, so you have every right to edit posts as you see fit.
Mistyshadow44 said:
Becky,
I was reading the messages and someone was fishing for cuffedaddy’s last name and I think cuffedaddy posted his last name here. You might want to check out who was asking him for his last name.
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Misty, that was me, and NO I did not use it for any purpose other than what I was talking to him about. I was misspelling his name, and he stated something about how I shouldn’t make fun of people’s last names. I asked him because alot of people just use nicknames and not their real names..he said something about suing because I was making fun of his name. That was the end of the conversation.
So to answer your question no I didn’t call his grams. Go ahead and check it out if you want, Becky. Actually I want you to.
You’reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay said:
No one was. He implied that someone was slandering him by calling him cuffed daddy. He then said it was slander to say that because his last name is cuffe. In other words, no one asked and he’s trying to create a situation that doesn’t exist. Surprised? I’m not.
Once again pinata, C for effort and A for transparency.
Some people never learn.
Thanks, YGDNANIAGW, (sorry, I couldn’t see typing that all out LOL..plz don’t sue me or anything LOL)
Yea, that’s all it was. He got pissy cause I was misspelling his name.
these are just the few major national or international companies i can remember seeing ads from on nw -
ford, land rover, pontiac, subaru, toyota, dodge and several other automobile manufacturers, lifelock, tv guide, claritin, propel fitness water, geico, boost mobile, verizon, hertz, lufthansa, l l bean, bellsouth, red roof inns, arm and hammer, nordstrom, lane bryant, care one credit, msn, cayman islands (tourism i guess), hilton hotels, united vacations, hgtv, u s appliance, dell, choice hotels, classmates.com, yahoo, pogo, circuit city, lowe’s, various cbs news stations, voxant news room (reuters, ap digital news, wall street journal, bbc) pepto bismol, chili’s, miller lite beer, macy’s, lending tree, phoenix university, tidycat, toys r us, sunoco, pantene, ebay, slendertone, home made simple, monster, identity guard, blockbuster, scott trade, tivo, xbox, vonage, the axe effect, universal orlando, lasik plus, agri-fab, royal carribean, underarmour, the ups store, harrah’s, outback steak house, state farm, spiral frog, oral b, cool savings, capital one, pampers, buy.com, wamu, alltel, centrum, papa john’s, westjet, skype, lennox, mtv, free triple credit score, att, medifast, staples, usa today, best western, nutri systems, max factor, disney world, sprint, sam’s club, wal mart, ny times, advair, hp, kodak, lingo, turbotax, sylvan learning, kroger, dish network, bowflex, converse, air canada, swiffer, orlando info, secret, fox sports, cover girl, game quest direct, shaw floors, ancestry.com, worldwinner, american apparel, sportsfly, palazzo las vegas, m and m’s, netflix, payless, visit denver, sonic drive in, slendertone, betty crocker, marion county florida, whitestrips, share,….and that is just the ones i remembered or had urls saved from for contests
sorry if there are any repeats there
how could nw not be making money with all of these and so many more paying them on time when promised?
They are making money. They are just getting greedy and not wanting to pay people what they owe. So they say they are going into debt and …boo hoo poor us…can’t pay anyone. So everyone feels sorry for poor ole NW and now they are laughing all the way to the bank.
YOU MIGHT BE A NETNECK…
If your pets are named Jackson, Grant and Franklin, you might be a Netneck.
If you can go straight from the office to your second job as a pole dancer in the same clothes, you might be a Netneck.
If the letters on your delete button have completely worn away, you might be a Netneck.
If you watch your own computer intervention being orchestrated on an Adstream video, you might be a Netneck.
If you put ‘former clairvoyant’ as your last job position on your resume, you might be a Netneck.
If your nerves are now frazzled by the sound of a ringing telephone, you might be a Netneck.
(Sorry folks, just trying to lighten things up. Got any good ones to add? Please, keep it clean)
this makes no sense. his username is cuffedaddy at NW. It is easy to misspell. From my experience on NW- he is just another jerk. In fact, he acts like one on the forum. I used to call him Mr. Huffy Puffy.
LOL! Yea he is just tryin to stir stuff up. So he can get in good with the big wigs at NW. “Look, see what I did? I got em all russled up. Now they are fussing with each other instead of getting mad at who they should be mad at. Aren’t I a good lil doggie?”
LOL about the netneck!
And go ahead, Cuffe-crackedhead, threaten me again. Water off a ducks back baby…Heck, I had my name made fun off almost all my life, and do you see me suing or stompin my feet gettin all pissy and my panties in a wad about it? No, I grew up and got over it. You should take up knitting or something. You need to calm your nerves a bit before you wind up in a “hospital”.
Just a thought…
Was Voxant the company that provided netwinner with their stremaing ads? I’m sure they wouldn’t like to know that Netwinner was using false pretenses to gain ad views…
Thank you Becky
Wow threaten you again? huh who are you? I have no need to threaten
Obviously. You just go crying to daddy over at NW and let him take care of your fights for you. Grow up. I will not be replying to you again, dear. I am over you, get over me please.
I would love to get over you If I knew who you were LOL
So Cuffjerk, What did you have to say to granny (if this indeed really happened) about why people really hate you?
Hey Cuffedaddy, please tell Mike thanks for finally banning me, I have already collected enough evidence in the form of e-mails promising me a certain amount of money within 60 days and enough of Mike’s own admissions of wrongdoings and then edits to his posts. He’s arrogant enough to think the SAG or DOJ won’t knock down the doors, but if they won’t, and that’s still to be determined, I still have a case against Netwinner for breach of contract and fraud.
Becky:
I am as anxious as anyone to see Netwinner pay one way or another, but this thread has really degenerated. I just wish people could stick to a quick vent and maybe what steps they will take next. So much good information is being buried in all the crap. I realize all of the loyals appear to be out of their mind, but what difference does that make in the whole scheme of things. The key here is organization and good communication. The more people who complain in a civilized manner to the right people, the better off everyone will be.
no worries becky i am sure that most of us prefer not to patronize their site in any way. i have been banned from there for over a month and honestly do not miss them since was not allowed to voice my thoughts. and to think all this time i thought that netwinner was a USA based site not one that promoted censorship because they do not believe in others thoughts and beliefs. i was wondering one thing tho why is it that so many of the netwinner mods are here it is not like they don’t know what we think of them. they already know we are displeased with them and not because they are mods but because they are mods still at a site that has cheated us out of money. you can say all you want it was a free site. but you answer me this netwinner. if it was a free site then why did you require the members to watch ads. was it maybe so you could get money. well then if you did not get paid for showing those ads would you say oh well no biggie or would you be down at the courthouse filing suit. hmmmmmmmmmm see put yourself in the place of every member who you have told they will not get what is owed them and poof you change your point of thoughts don’t ya.
it is easy to call every one of us that played at your site day after day and made your company a couple of million a bunch of cry babies but you think about this if it was not for us cry babies you would not have made any money. so before you allow your mods to bad mouth any of the players i would first take a look at who you are talking to. because we your ex players are not the only people that view these forums. people that are thinking about netwinner or that may have stumbled accross it by mistake will make a choice not by word of mouth but what they experience first hand. i for one know if i was to pop into your forums and see a mod talk to anyone and i don’t care what the conversation was about but if i saw a mod call all the players a bunch of losers or cry babies i would run for the door.
the company in whole has a lot to learn about business. you may have made some money in the past(and that may come back to bite you in the long run ) but trust me people will start looking to see who is associated with any new site and when they see a familiar name they will decide to go else where.
true it cost me nothing to play at netwinner and i did get a few dollars out of you before you closed the bank but trust me on this. your small action of non payment is going to hurt you the most in the pocket. sooner or later the proper agency will get enough emails and letters from VOTERS that they will look into your company and on that day you remember that you were warned. you may not pay the members now or ever but sooner or later you will pay and in the long run it will cost you a lot more than a few bucks.
i hope that members that live in NC who have joined will take copies of every tranaction that they saved from cashing out and take them to the attorney generals office and file suit against you. the small clause in the t.o.s about punitive damages can be overlooked by a judge. ( small loop hole) a judge can award a punitive damage even if the plaintif does not request it and if enough file suit and fill the court house up that court house door will turn into a revolving door.
i wish the owners of netwinner the best( you gonna need it ) in finding a good place to hide.
see most of all this could have been avoided had you the owners perhaps asked members about stuff. while you may own the site you had a large resorce of members who worked in various fields. you had doctors, lawyers, teachers, police officers, mothers, fathers, advertisers, auditors,ect…. you had everything your company needed to be a success and did you use it no. see like you were a client for the companies who you advertised for we the players were clients for you. yet you did not treat your members like clients. heck at sometime your mods did not even treat some of the players like people even.
i honestly do not see netwinner coming back from this and if that is the case i am overwhelmed with joy. when i was a active member i for one honestly wanted to see netwinner succeed. when netwinner wanted ideals i tried to make suggestion but nope. when netwinner wanted free testers for banko i was there but still even tho i offered my free time to test the game ( without points ) i was treated badly by your mods. even got my account froze by mike. and this was after sending email after email to him about the abuse but in his own words he did not have time to micromanage the site chat forums. this to me means the site does not care as long as we keep clicking.
i am sure that most of the players here feel the same i know not all the mods were nasty but there were a few that had no business being in any form of leadership.
one thing i learned a long time ago is that the pen is mightier than the sword. and you will see that with the www that it is even stronger now than it was way back when. sooner or later you will have to move your company overseas because i am sure sooner or later you will be shut down and i am sure that Canada is not going to allow you there. so enjoy overseas. enjoy you ill gotten funds and i hope that from now till the end of time you never have a restful night. i hope the treatment of all the honest players haunt your every second of sleep.
I have been quite sure for some time now that Netwinner wasn’t going to be paying. The writing was on the wall by the middle of Jan. I’m the one who said on the forum that we are now playing for Monopoly money.
I’ve filed with the BBB. I saw Netwinner had an Unsatisfactory rating on there even before this latest rip-off. They are done for because “You don’t pay. No one will play.” Plus I believe they WILL get in trouble for fraud, or get shut down at the very least if we all do our part now and file complaints.
I don’t know how many of the mods actually knew they were lying. I just felt they weren’t too bright when they were celebrating points awarded which would result in $0.00 and NO prize anyhow. It was all imaginary. You can put all your points into winning the mop now, and they will all cheer if you “win it”, but you’ll never actually get it.
In other words, we have been robbed… first of our time… then of our money.
I am one of the unlucky people who never took a screenshot of my wins. I guess I was dumb enough to think Netwinner would pay somewhere down the road. So I’m outta luck. But there is something really funny happening with one of my family members I will share with you. My youngest sister is married to A 13 year deputy sheriff in our county. For the last few hours they and a few of their friends have been watching the Netwinner Central forum. My sis called about an hour ago to see if I was. She is the one who told me how quick they were deleting post. You can figure out by her husband being a long time deputy sheriff who some of their friends might be. They are having a field day on the computer tonight….lol..lol. I am so darn happy right now!!
Please keep us banned folks informed of any good stuff happening overthere. Thanks much
By the way. It’s alright that I posted about my sis. They have what they need. I will never ever be paid but I guarentee you my sis will be.
Kiarasmamaw (and anyone else concerned)
Don’t forget to check your e-mail accounts, Netwinner sent those “confirm your prize” e-mails, if you saved them then they are as good as gold in proving breach of contract. If you didn’t save them, take a screen shot of the NW President’s letter saying they would double your points, and a screen shot of your current point total – after Netwinner has lost a few lawsuits that will go along with precendence to prove your case as well. I suspect that enough lawsuits have to be filed it will turn into class-action anyway.
wow, i cant believe all the delusional players over on the forum that really think nloser is the greatest, some people even think that by staying there and wading it out that they will get their money, umm, what part of not paying and giving the points back didnt they understand.
I made a copy of my prize sheet (ecount processing records) before they wiped out the record…just because I was afraid they would do it….as their next “change”. Sure enuf! I filed with NC BBB and mentioned it as well…but, won’t hold my breath on this one. Would be interesting to see if anything is done.
I filed a complaint with the BBB in NC today, tomorrow it will be the FTC and AG.
For those of you that feel you have no proof that NW owes you, you really do. Just go and copy the page in your account that shows how many points you have. Take 1/2 of the points off and the amount that is left is the points you had when NW did their conversion and the amount that was owed to you if you had cashed in all your pts. except those under $100,000.
Quick one-page blog with contact info for those who lost money thanks to the changes at NetWinner: http://comparerewards.blogspot.com/
Feel free to copy and paste the info on the page and email it to your referrals, your friends, or other related forums or blogs.
hey, kiarasmamaw, sorry to meet up like this but nice to hear from you. Did you lose some prize redemptions? You should go ahead and file with the BBB and the North Carolina DA’s office!
You might want to check out my new “Netwinner lens.” The title is: Netwinner: We Played – They Flayed.
http://www.squidoo.com/pkbnetwinner
I saved my prize sheet (ecount in processing) since the last time I cashed out. I even mentioned that to the NC BBB..but, don’t feel that anything will come of it. I hope I am wrong. I saved it because I felt the records would disappear and another excuse used…sure enuf…it happened
Becky,
Thank you SO much for organizing all that great info and posting it for everyone to be able to get to. I am sure that lots of people will be using it
Hey pkb, this is a little off topic, but do you remember me from NW forum? I was just interested to know if you still had the Ireland page up, things have been busy for my wife and I lately with moving, me starting school and a new baby lol, but I did want to see how that turned out.
I honestly don’t believe anyone is calling cuffdaddy’s grandmother. Why would they waste their time and effort looking for that phone# when if they were that angry they would be calling him if they had his name unless he lives with his grandmom. Which I still don’t believe someone would go off on an elderly woman they would call back later in hopes of getting their point across to the real person. And who would really waste their time on him when they have access to some of the #’s of the bigwigs. He is just an insecure person looking for attention and it is really quite evident by his posts and replys to others post. Accusing me of threatening him last night because I said I was getting tired of his annoying posts that is just an example of someone is ready to blow anything out of proportion to draw attention to himself. Around here we call them drama queens and when there is no actual drama they start making it up because they need to draw attention to themselves. The sad thing is they start really believing their own fables and start thinking everyone is out to get them and they want everyone to feel sorry for them. Sorry your just not that important to waste the time on Cuff.
everyone look in your saved folders if you kept the confirmation from neteinner this would be the best thing. you can print out a fulheader page it would look something like this.
From No Reply Sun Jan 6 14:37:19 2008
X-Apparently-To: thetruepoolgod@yahoo.com via 216.252.100.198; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 14:37:19 -0800
X-YahooFilteredBulk: 216.54.210.91
X-Originating-IP: [216.54.210.91]
Return-Path:
Authentication-Results: mta415.mail.re4.yahoo.com from=netwinner.com; domainkeys=neutral (no sig)
Received: from 216.54.210.91 (EHLO mail01.netwinner.com) (216.54.210.91) by mta415.mail.re4.yahoo.com with SMTP; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 14:37:19 -0800
Received: from lbproxy03.netwinner ([192.168.22.82]) by mail01.netwinner.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 6 Jan 2008 17:37:19 -0500
Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=localhost.localdomain) by lbproxy03.netwinner with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JBe7L-0006od-4b for thetruepoolgod@yahoo.com; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 17:37:19 -0500
Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 17:37:19 -0500
To: thetruepoolgod@yahoo.com
From: “No Reply” Add to Address BookAdd to Address Book Add Mobile Alert
Subject: Confirm Prize Destination
Message-ID:
X-Priority: 1
X-Mailer: PHPMailer [version 1.73]
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=”b1_94c301e1577421d133728d4a9c872619″
Return-Path: no-reply@netwinner.com
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jan 2008 22:37:19.0914 (UTC) FILETIME=[B28030A0:01C850B4]
Content-Length: 1465
Dear thetruepoolgod@yahoo.com,
This email serves to confirm that you requested to have your prize
Ecount Cash ($25)
delivered to the following address:
If this information is correct, please:
1. Log into your WhoGets Game account.
2. Go to the MyAccount page
3. Open the Prizes tab and select your prize (Ecount Cash ($25))
4. Use the following code to confirm: 782cc39153
–NetWinner Team
We do not spam. WhoGets Game respects your privacy. Click http://whogets.freemoneywheel.com/privacy.html to review our Privacy Policy.
this will show that netwinner accepted your request for cashout and that it was approved as well as the date the transaction was sent from netwinner. if you are like myself then you have them stuck somewhere. when netwinner started getting further and further behind i started my very own netwinner confirmation email file and kept everyone of them seeing that netwinner stated that you must have to in order to get paid.
Yep, I do remember you, Rich!! click on the link above for the “new” Netwinner page and it’ll show you the other page I have. To go directly to it:
http://www.squidoo.com/pkbireland
Hope we all get Netwinner refunds and you and your wife get to go spend some of it on the Emerald Isle. : )
***Congrats on the new baby!***
Thanks for the congrats, the me going to college thing will eventually finance our worldly travels, but it would be nice to have the $375 Netwinner owes my wife and I to just spend on something totally unnecessary and fun lol
I would have said hi to you before now on the forum, but lately I’ve been trying to get banned over there so I have an excuse not to go on their forum, and apparently insulting Mr. Hardison is enough to get you banned =)
Thanks pkb and others for ideas. pkb I checked out your blog and like it. I will try to get my money but won’t be heartbroken if I can’t. The fact that my sis will helps. For me each person that does enough to get paid or get something done helps me feel better. I just want justice. I really don’t care in what form. I want Netwinner to pay for what they have done to everyone.
Yes I agree Kia. It’s no longer about the money. As much as I really could have used it for dental work. It’s now all about watching them sink into a pit of excrement of thier own making.
has anyone rec’d confirmation from the NC BBB if you filed a complaint? I wonder how it works
Count me in as agreed, I will be just as happy if Netwinner staff members rot in a prison cell somewhere for a while as I would be receiving money from them.
found this post by cuffedaddy: (March 30)
Posted: Sun Mar 30th, 2008 09:58 pm Quote Reply
The Loyal players that are still here spread the good word about us. We all love you
Good word? And they love us?
Look how we got treated! OUCH
well…I am done complaining….did the BB thing and now I will just probably read the posts here
i have receved reply from the BBB and have had to reopened my case seeing as netwinner reported to the BBB that they had spoken with me and had resolved my complaint. so anyone who files a report check back everyday or two. this is what netwinner has said about my account on the numerous times they have responded to the BBB. now keep in mind i have never spoken with anyone from netwinner even tho i have sent various emails and have called their phone number numerous times and never had anyone answer and have left voice messages but no call back. also note the date on the first response from netwinner. less than a week from the date of the letter from the president&COO
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 13:36:03 -0400
From: “NetWinner: Official Release” Add Mobile Alert
To: thetruepoolgod@yahoo.com
Subject: Letter from the President
05/06/2008 Received Business’ Rebuttal Response Due to the increase of fraudulent activity on our database, we are unfortunately experiencing a delay in the processing of prizes. Netwinner is working to fulfill prizes in a timely manner. Thank you for your patience in this matter as we make Netwinner fun and fair for everyone.
04/15/2008 Receive Business Response Thank you for your inquiry. According to our terms of service, all other winnings are usually paid within ninety (90) days of verification. In some cases, processing delays, verifications, fraud reviews, or delays from unforeseen business events may delay payments beyond ninety (90) days.
Netwinner and Mr. Bragg were able to speak regarding this issue.
seems to me someone made a false statement to the BBB. wonder if a statement to the BBB is considered falsifying a legal document if they give false statements? does anyone know?
Do you know how to email your senator or congressman.
Ido.
Do I haft to say more ?
Election year . HELLO !!!!
More blatant lies from scum at NW. Follow that up for sure. All the lies they tell are gonna bite them in the arse till they fade away.
have him programed into my cell phone lol
true story
when i moved from florida to texas i had a florida drivers license as well as my veterans i.d my department of agriculture id and about 3 other picture ids. i went to get a drivers license here and got a run around. i was told that i needed a passport in order to get a drivers license. i got so irritated i called the local congressman and told him what i was being told. needless to say less than 1/2 hour later i was back to get my drivers license. the people at the highway patrol station was not very happy but they processed me and sent me on my happy way. now everytime i get into a confrontation with someone about something my girlfriend will tell the other person ” better watch out he will call the congressman on you” lol now the texas dot accepts any form of government issued id as a form of proof of id
Is there a local station in Charlotte NC that does help the little guy stories? If so then perhaps that would be an excellent media source.
Charlotte WSOC Channel 9 *Whistleblower 9 Gets Results* This link is to their consumer investigators, they have an online link to submit things for the to investigate, as well as phone numbers: http://www.wsoctv.com/specialreports/1927273/detail.html
Charlotte WCNC Investigators..has links to contact them about a news tip: http://www.wcnc.com/investigators/
My Fox Charlotte: Their Local Fox affiliate, this is the Contact Us form to give story tips, etc.: http://www.myfoxcharlotte.com/myfox/pages/InsideFox/ContactUs?pageId=5.11
missionlady posted in nwc about not liking being lied to and mike edited her post to say this – I understand this. I never said anything that I did not believe. I know that does not help. I am sorry. mjp65
i thought he as the only one in forum on the payroll (ha ha) was there to speak for the company, he was quick enough to do it all those months that we were not getting paid telling us to have faith and patience and that we would all get our money, did he just make that stuff up on his own without consulting the company or what?
i noticed the last time someone cornered him and asked him a direct question he said he would get us answers and it took him 2 or 3 weeks to get back to us with the news that we were all abducted by the nw spaceship and probed
someone asked why a post was banned when all they did was tell about their phone conversation with cameron at nw and mike said this -
“Most of the time a person who is banned after a single post has been posting and ranting about the same thing for a long period of time. You can post just about anything here and not get it deleted or be banned, but if you are here to drive us into the ground, you will not be here that long. I will not let people post crap day and night for no reason but to harm us. If you are mad and waht to tell us why, I can take that and leave it up and thank you for you input.” and “If your purpose is to run us into the ground, yes I will delete you and ban you from the forum. I will not ban or delete truths, complaints, etc. nor will you be banned for that.”
yet he banned that bigjohn on his very first forum post ever for merely pointing out that judging by the mods points on leaderboard that they must be getting paid because they didn’t get a huge influx of points to their accounts like the rest of us did
i guess it is considered running them into the ground when you prove them to be liars
Just finished complaint to BBB. I really hope bad things happen to NW owners bum in prison tho.
Bruce – I am obviously having a major brain fart. I can’t figure out how to email becky for this site lol
As for Netloser, I am totally dumbfounded at those who continue to stay and sing the praises of netloser. They committed fraud plain and simple. How can those staying in their right mind even think that IF they happened to win a prize they will get it? Burn us once, shame on them, burn us twice shame on us. I refuse to be burned twice.
bruce said:
i want to thank netwinner for treating me the way they did if not for them being so dishonest i never would of gone surfing the net for another game site to win money at. so thanks netwinner you are the best at breaking promises and forcing players to find other means of online fun. i do not want to post the name of the site here but if anyone wants to know the name please send becky a request i think i gave her the name of the site. i will not be wanting any referrals from this i just want to try and give a few of you a little of what netwinner has stolen from you and that would be the trust in online game sites. this site does not pay much only about .10 per day or if you are upgraded then .30 per day you can play as many games a day as you want but only get paid for 100 games daily. as i said send becky a request and i am sure she would love to have the referrals. the site also gives a small prize to each of the top 3 players on each of the 83 games that they have at this time. so becky i hope this bit of info is ok and for those of you that have lost time at netwinner i hope you can regain some faith at this site.
Also ,If anyone didnt save their confirmation Emails,see if you can dig em up out of your recycle bin (if you have deleted Email going there) ………..I was fortunate to take a screenshot of my winnings just late last week.
ok everyone here is my thoughts on this subject.
i honestly think that netwinner can be sued. after researching a company can not hide behind a contract no matter how neatly it was constructed no matter what. if the company had intended to commit fraud and i believe that with them changing the t.o.s they did have foresight. i am not sure if anyone will ever get any money but here is a thought if netwinner does not want to pay each and every member who is owed money then everyone contact their own local athority and file complaints with them. seeing that netwinner not only comitted fraud in the US but also in Canada they have committed international fraud. contact your local FBI office and inquire as to what to do.even if they do not pay with any luck we will each be able to send them lol’s to them while they spend time behind bars.their little may protect them as far as cival court goes but they did not protect themselves from criminal charges. you can not commit fraud with a contract and expect to not be charged with criminal action. so netwinner you enjoy you ill gotten funds i hope you made enough to hire a lot of lawyers because something tells me you will be needing them in the near future. as for the funds i no longer care but for what you have done to thousands of people i hope you get 5-10 years for each count of fraud that would add up to well over 500,000 years.
as for the mods seeing that they still intend to defend the site even tho they have proven that they are not going to pay i hope that each and everyone that is still loyal to the site gets the same as the owners of the site. it is one thing to defend a site when you truly believe that they will pay but another thing all together to stand behind them and still try and promote the site once the truth is out for all to see.
this being said i would like to invite each and everyone that was cheated by netwinner to pass the word to everyone you know. if you have copies of your winnings you were waiting on make a copy and send them to your local paper send them to the tv stations. lets pick a day say friday everyone send a letter to the closest fox tv station to them. load their email with complaints. let them know what this site has done let you voice be heard. remember not saying nothing and allowing the company get away with this will teach them nothing but if we can get a tv station like fox to investigate this then there is no where that netwinner will be able to go in the united states or canada that people will not have heard of them. lets see them get a business started after this.
remember if we all send a email at the same time then perhaps someone will pay attention. let your voice be heard. let people like those that own and run netwinner know enough is enough. let them know you are tired of them getting rich from you.
i think the worst part of all this is the comments made by the mods to the players. ” get a life ” how can a person that more than likely spends more time at netwinner than any of us tell us to get a life.. and the other part is instead of trying to be humble it is as if the mods want to attack the players. go figure. it was not the players that kept telling the mods don’t worry netwinner will pay they always pay they may be late but they will pay you . and mike you most of all should bury your head in the sand. you who was a member of lottalottos.com the member who others looked to for info on sites. i notice that you do not even have the loyalty to those members there. i guess netwinner must pay you good. wonder how much it cost to buy your morals. of all the people you are the one i expected to see resign once this came to light but i guess you are after all just human and will back anyone who is willing to pay you.
what a shame.
i have heard that everyone has a price and my way of looking at it is i have a price as well. my price would be all the funds owed to each and every player. but seeing that will never happen i will settle for a long prison term for everyone that is still associated with the site then i would feel like myself and every other player would have their justice.
email me and i will give you the name my email is listed above
bruce said:
everyone look in your saved folders if you kept the confirmation from neteinner this would be the best thing. you can print out a fulheader page it would look something like this.
From No Reply Sun Jan 6 14:37:19 2008
X-Apparently-To: thetruepoolgod@yahoo.com
Anonymous said:
Bruce – I am obviously having a major brain fart. I can’t figure out how to email becky for this site lol
As for Netloser, I am totally dumbfounded at those who continue to stay and sing the praises of netloser. They committed fraud plain and simple. How can those staying in their right mind even think that IF they happened to win a prize they will get it? Burn us once, shame on them, burn us twice shame on us. I refuse to be burned twice.
only reason i can see that a person would stay and defend the site is that they have interest in the company i.e own one of the partner sites. that or they are just unable to face reality.
bruce said:
only reason i can see that a person would stay and defend the site is that they have interest in the company i.e own one of the partner sites. that or they are just unable to face reality.
I wonder how the partner sites are handling the news of netloser’s fraud. I know they had to put alot of time and effort into building the site. Now their reputation is tarnished as well.
“May 13, 2008 11:10 PM
The more pages like yours are created, the more chance we have of reaching as many people as possible. As my Aussie friend would say, “Good on ya!”
Rich said:
If its slander or defamation of character, as I believe he also claimed, to make fun of someone’s last name, wouldn’t they need to send the FBI to every elementary school playground and arrest the little tykes? Now before the cuffedaddy supporters bash me, I’m not condoning making fun of last names, I’m simply saying that everytime someone says something distasteful doesn’t make it a crime. On the other hand, promising someone money by means of a legal contract without the intent to pay is a crime and I think Netwinner has proven it did not have the intent to pay everyone by calling a select few with what amounts to a bribe.”
More Bingo!s for Rich. Please collect your all-in-one remote to go with your comfy chair, footstool, cake and coffee!
” Becky said:
One more request, y’all: I know there are ways around being banned from NW’s forum but I think that gaining access to a computer system without permission (meaning, after your IP has been banned) could be illegal. Posting about how to do it here opens me up to potential legal liability, so I’d ask that you don’t. Hope you understand but I had to make that post go bye-bye. All for free speech but not for going to jail. I’m sorry!”
Oh alright. It’s not illegal because you’re just disconnecting from the internet and reconnecting to it to get a new ip address which you get doing that all the time anyway. However, mum’s the word.
” May 13, 2008 11:13 PM
Rich said:
Uh oh, hey YGDNetwinner, does that make me an accessory to file false police reports since I told him to file if it’s really happening? lol”
LOL No. That makes him delusional for not realizing you were joking. Some people really should loosen up don’t you think? Perhaps cuffe’s jackboots are so tight that he’s forgotten how not only to be honest but humor as well.”
I think you (Becky) have proven you stand for free speech, so you have every right to edit posts as you see fit.” I’d agree with that bigtime.
” May 13, 2008 11:16 PM
Anonymous said:
Mistyshadow44 said:
Becky,
I was reading the messages and someone was fishing for cuffedaddy’s last name and I think cuffedaddy posted his last name here. You might want to check out who was asking him for his last name.
——-
Misty, that was me, and NO I did not use it for any purpose other than what I was talking to him about. I was misspelling his name, and he stated something about how I shouldn’t make fun of people’s last names. I asked him because alot of people just use nicknames and not their real names..he said something about suing because I was making fun of his name. That was the end of the conversation.
So to answer your question no I didn’t call his grams. Go ahead and check it out if you want, Becky. Actually I want you to.
Ma”
I believe this type of thing was the situation cuffed daddy was trying to create by making these delusional accusations in the first place. It’s what he resorts to when he’s “got no game”. Game meaning honesty or integrity. He’s proven that here. You did nothing wrong. You simply responded to his question. Fail pinata, fail!
“Thanks, YGDNANIAGW, (sorry, I couldn’t see typing that all out LOL..plz don’t sue me or anything LOL)
Yea, that’s all it was. He got pissy cause I was misspelling his name.”
You’re most welcome.
I’m one of the big losers who’s read every post in both of these threads. Once in awhile I actually remember something that comes in handy, LOL.
” May 13, 2008 11:20 PM
knothead said:
these are just the few major national or international companies i can remember seeing ads from on nw -
ford, land rover, pontiac, subaru, toyota, dodge and several other automobile manufacturers, lifelock, tv guide, claritin, propel fitness water, geico, boost mobile, verizon, hertz, lufthansa, l l bean, bellsouth, red roof inns, arm and hammer, nordstrom, lane bryant, care one credit, msn, cayman islands (tourism i guess), hilton hotels, united vacations, hgtv, u s appliance, dell, choice hotels, classmates.com, yahoo, pogo, circuit city, lowe’s, various cbs news stations, voxant news room (reuters, ap digital news, wall street journal, bbc) pepto bismol, chili’s, miller lite beer, macy’s, lending tree, phoenix university, tidycat, toys r us, sunoco, pantene, ebay, slendertone, home made simple, monster, identity guard, blockbuster, scott trade, tivo, xbox, vonage, the axe effect, universal orlando, lasik plus, agri-fab, royal carribean, underarmour, the ups store, harrah’s, outback steak house, state farm, spiral frog, oral b, cool savings, capital one, pampers, buy.com, wamu, alltel, centrum, papa john’s, westjet, skype, lennox, mtv, free triple credit score, att, medifast, staples, usa today, best western, nutri systems, max factor, disney world, sprint, sam’s club, wal mart, ny times, advair, hp, kodak, lingo, turbotax, sylvan learning, kroger, dish network, bowflex, converse, air canada, swiffer, orlando info, secret, fox sports, cover girl, game quest direct, shaw floors, ancestry.com, worldwinner, american apparel, sportsfly, palazzo las vegas, m and m’s, netflix, payless, visit denver, sonic drive in, slendertone, betty crocker, marion county florida, whitestrips, share,….and that is just the ones i remembered or had urls saved from for contests
sorry if there are any repeats there
how could nw not be making money with all of these and so many more paying them on time when promised?
”
Thank you for the well-researched and all-around dandy list of company’s to notify abou the fraud that Netwinner’s perpetrated on them as well as us. You really do your homework!
” May 13, 2008 11:24 PM
Anonymous said:
this makes no sense. his username is cuffedaddy at NW. It is easy to misspell. From my experience on NW- he is just another jerk. In fact, he acts like one on the forum. I used to call him Mr. Huffy Puffy”
LOL
Personally I’ve always liked
cuffedratty
snuffpatsy
muffpaddy
spamaddy
and my new favorite: cuffed daddy.
So many to choose from, I’m like a girl in a jewelry store. I must have them all!
If pinatawhacky gets upset about such a tiny thing instead of apologizing to and having empathy for the people he helped Netwinner rip off and then degrade, I suggest he loosen the jackboots. The blood has stopped circulating to his brain.
” May 13, 2008 11:29 PM
Cuffedaddy said:
Wow threaten you again? huh who are you? I have no need to threaten
”
Bat your eyelashes at us and lie some more, stiffpatsy. It’s great comic relief.
Well said bruce, kiarasmamaw and Din
Thanks for filing your complaint Anon, along with so many others here. It’s great that everyone takes small amount of time to do these things to help everyone overall. It’s such great teamwork!
”
Becky said:
Quick one-page blog with contact info for those who lost money thanks to the changes at NetWinner: http://comparerewards.blogspot.com/
Feel free to copy and paste the info on the page and email it to your referrals, your friends, or other related forums or blogs.
May 14, 2008 12:20 AM
”
Great reminder Becky, thanks for staying on top of this and for your diligence in pointing us all in the right direction. You’re the best
” pkb143 said:
hey, kiarasmamaw, sorry to meet up like this but nice to hear from you. Did you lose some prize redemptions? You should go ahead and file with the BBB and the North Carolina DA’s office!
You might want to check out my new “Netwinner lens.” The title is: Netwinner: We Played – They Flayed.
http://www.squidoo.com/pkbnetwinner
”
Nice addition to squidoo pkb
“Around here we call them drama queens”
You don’t want to know what we call that type of behavior at my other forums. Oh alright if you insist. We call people who act like cuffe “attention wh*res”. Having an opinion, being honest, having a conversation…none of those things make one an attention wh*re. Making false accusations against others in the hopes of being handed a kleenex and getting a “there there” does. Being proactive is not being an attention wh*re. Being deceptive for your own gain does. So does buying the book attention wh*ring for dummies when you’ve run out of legitimate options because you never had a legitimate complaint in the first place.
Oh and well done covering the email confirmation letters from Netwinner as proof of expected and agreed upon payment again bruce. Have some cake!
Congrats on the new little one Rich!
” May 14, 2008 12:48 AM
Rich said:
Count me in as agreed, I will be just as happy if Netwinner staff members rot in a prison cell somewhere for a while as I would be receiving money from them.
”
I’d also take that trade any day of the week.
” May 14, 2008 1:25 AM
knothead said:
missionlady posted in nwc about not liking being lied to and mike edited her post to say this – I understand this. I never said anything that I did not believe. I know that does not help. I am sorry. mjp65″
They never used to do that. They would just respond with their own posts.
I noticed the trend you mention here though about six months ago. Are they so insecure that no one can even ask a question? Are they so full of it that they can’t even answer these questions appropriately? I’d say so. The level of imperialism over there has reached proportions rarely seen on other internet forums. They can’t convince anyone of their viewpoint if they just delete the other person’s. Deleting doesn’t make them smart or right imo, it makes them deficient in many areas that one needs in order to be fair and moderate in the first place.
“yet he banned that bigjohn on his very first forum post ever for merely pointing out that judging by the mods points on leaderboard that they must be getting paid because they didn’t get a huge influx of points to their accounts like the rest of us did”
Excellent observation that can’t be trumpeted enough!
” May 14, 2008 2:00 AM
Aaron said:
Just finished complaint to BBB. I really hope bad things happen to NW owners bum in prison tho.
”
Great! Have a piece of cake and some coffee here at the potluck with those who help eachother. Comfy footrests, no waiting.
Headers are also a dandy idea as you mention because they show the point of origin of the emails everyone received from Netwinner much more precisely than just the address. Great reminder bruce!
That one didn’t require approval. Weird.
Oh well, I’m sure there must be a glitch with the software like last night since your site has become so popular
“May 13, 2008 11:10 PM
Rich said:
If its slander or defamation of character, as I believe he also claimed, to make fun of someone’s last name, wouldn’t they need to send the FBI to every elementary school playground and arrest the little tykes? Now before the cuffedaddy supporters bash me, I’m not condoning making fun of last names, I’m simply saying that everytime someone says something distasteful doesn’t make it a crime. On the other hand, promising someone money by means of a legal contract without the intent to pay is a crime and I think Netwinner has proven it did not have the intent to pay everyone by calling a select few with what amounts to a bribe.”
More Bingo!s for Rich. Please collect your all-in-one remote to go with your comfy chair, footstool, cake and coffee!
” Becky said:
One more request, y’all: I know there are ways around being banned from NW’s forum but I think that gaining access to a computer system without permission (meaning, after your IP has been banned) could be illegal. Posting about how to do it here opens me up to potential legal liability, so I’d ask that you don’t. Hope you understand but I had to make that post go bye-bye. All for free speech but not for going to jail. I’m sorry!”
Oh alright. It’s not illegal because you’re just disconnecting from the internet and reconnecting to it to get a new ip address which you get doing that all the time anyway. However, mum’s the word.
” May 13, 2008 11:13 PM
Rich said:
Uh oh, hey YGDNetwinner, does that make me an accessory to file false police reports since I told him to file if it’s really happening? lol”
LOL No. That makes him delusional for not realizing you were joking. Some people really should loosen up don’t you think? Perhaps cuffe’s jackboots are so tight that he’s forgotten how not only to be honest but humor as well.
I think you (Becky) have proven you stand for free speech, so you have every right to edit posts as you see fit.” I’d agree with that bigtime.
” May 13, 2008 11:16 PM
Anonymous said:
Mistyshadow44 said:
Becky,
I was reading the messages and someone was fishing for cuffedaddy’s last name and I think cuffedaddy posted his last name here. You might want to check out who was asking him for his last name.
——-
Misty, that was me, and NO I did not use it for any purpose other than what I was talking to him about. I was misspelling his name, and he stated something about how I shouldn’t make fun of people’s last names. I asked him because alot of people just use nicknames and not their real names..he said something about suing because I was making fun of his name. That was the end of the conversation.
So to answer your question no I didn’t call his grams. Go ahead and check it out if you want, Becky. Actually I want you to.
Ma”
I believe this type of thing was the situation cuffed daddy was trying to create by making these delusional accusations in the first place. It’s what he resorts to when he’s “got no game”. Game meaning honesty or integrity. He’s proven that here. You did nothing wrong. You simply responded to his question. Fail pinata, fail!
“Thanks, YGDNANIAGW, (sorry, I couldn’t see typing that all out LOL..plz don’t sue me or anything LOL)
Yea, that’s all it was. He got pissy cause I was misspelling his name.”
You’re most welcome.
I’m one of the big losers who’s read every post in both of these threads. Once in awhile I actually remember something that comes in handy, LOL.
” May 13, 2008 11:20 PM
knothead said:
these are just the few major national or international companies i can remember seeing ads from on nw -
ford, land rover, pontiac, subaru, toyota, dodge and several other automobile manufacturers, lifelock, tv guide, claritin, propel fitness water, geico, boost mobile, verizon, hertz, lufthansa, l l bean, bellsouth, red roof inns, arm and hammer, nordstrom, lane bryant, care one credit, msn, cayman islands (tourism i guess), hilton hotels, united vacations, hgtv, u s appliance, dell, choice hotels, classmates.com, yahoo, pogo, circuit city, lowe’s, various cbs news stations, voxant news room (reuters, ap digital news, wall street journal, bbc) pepto bismol, chili’s, miller lite beer, macy’s, lending tree, phoenix university, tidycat, toys r us, sunoco, pantene, ebay, slendertone, home made simple, monster, identity guard, blockbuster, scott trade, tivo, xbox, vonage, the axe effect, universal orlando, lasik plus, agri-fab, royal carribean, underarmour, the ups store, harrah’s, outback steak house, state farm, spiral frog, oral b, cool savings, capital one, pampers, buy.com, wamu, alltel, centrum, papa john’s, westjet, skype, lennox, mtv, free triple credit score, att, medifast, staples, usa today, best western, nutri systems, max factor, disney world, sprint, sam’s club, wal mart, ny times, advair, hp, kodak, lingo, turbotax, sylvan learning, kroger, dish network, bowflex, converse, air canada, swiffer, orlando info, secret, fox sports, cover girl, game quest direct, shaw floors, ancestry.com, worldwinner, american apparel, sportsfly, palazzo las vegas, m and m’s, netflix, payless, visit denver, sonic drive in, slendertone, betty crocker, marion county florida, whitestrips, share,….and that is just the ones i remembered or had urls saved from for contests
sorry if there are any repeats there
how could nw not be making money with all of these and so many more paying them on time when promised?
”
Thank you for the well-researched and all-around dandy list of company’s to notify abou the fraud that Netwinner’s perpetrated on them as well as us. You really do your homework!
” May 13, 2008 11:24 PM
Anonymous said:
this makes no sense. his username is cuffedaddy at NW. It is easy to misspell. From my experience on NW- he is just another jerk. In fact, he acts like one on the forum. I used to call him Mr. Huffy Puffy”
LOL
Personally I’ve always liked
cuffedratty
snuffpatsy
muffpaddy
spamaddy
and my new favorite: cuffed daddy.
So many to choose from, I’m like a girl in a jewelry store. I must have them all!
If pinatawhacky gets upset about such a tiny thing instead of apologizing to and having empathy for the people he helped Netwinner rip off and then degrade, I suggest he loosen the jackboots. The blood has stopped circulating to his brain.
” May 13, 2008 11:29 PM
Cuffedaddy said:
Wow threaten you again? huh who are you? I have no need to threaten
”
Bat your eyelashes at us and lie some more, stiffpatsy. It’s great comic relief.
Well said bruce, kiarasmamaw and Din
Thanks for filing your complaint Anon, along with so many others here. It’s great that everyone takes small amount of time to do these things to help everyone overall. It’s such great teamwork!
”
The more pages like yours are created, the more chance we have of reaching as many people as possible. As my Aussie friend would say, “Good on ya!”
Becky said:
Quick one-page blog with contact info for those who lost money thanks to the changes at NetWinner: http://comparerewards.blogspot.com/
Feel free to copy and paste the info on the page and email it to your referrals, your friends, or other related forums or blogs.
May 14, 2008 12:20 AM
”
Great reminder Becky, thanks for staying on top of this and for your diligence in pointing us all in the right direction. You’re the best
” pkb143 said:
hey, kiarasmamaw, sorry to meet up like this but nice to hear from you. Did you lose some prize redemptions? You should go ahead and file with the BBB and the North Carolina DA’s office!
You might want to check out my new “Netwinner lens.” The title is: Netwinner: We Played – They Flayed.
http://www.squidoo.com/pkbnetwinner
”
Nice addition to squidoo pkb
“Around here we call them drama queens”
You don’t want to know what we call that type of behavior at my other forums. Oh alright if you insist. We call people who act like cuffe “attention wh*res”. Having an opinion, being honest, having a conversation…none of those things make one an attention wh*re. Making false accusations against others in the hopes of being handed a kleenex and getting a “there there” does. Being proactive is not being an attention wh*re. Being deceptive for your own gain does. So does buying the book attention wh*ring for dummies when you’ve run out of legitimate options because you never had a legitimate complaint in the first place.
Oh and well done covering the email confirmation letters from Netwinner as proof of expected and agreed upon payment again bruce. Have some cake!
Congrats on the new little one Rich!
” May 14, 2008 12:48 AM
Rich said:
Count me in as agreed, I will be just as happy if Netwinner staff members rot in a prison cell somewhere for a while as I would be receiving money from them.
”
I’d also take that trade any day of the week.
” May 14, 2008 1:25 AM
knothead said:
missionlady posted in nwc about not liking being lied to and mike edited her post to say this – I understand this. I never said anything that I did not believe. I know that does not help. I am sorry. mjp65″
They never used to do that. They would just respond with their own posts.
I noticed the trend you mention here though about six months ago. Are they so insecure that no one can even ask a question? Are they so full of it that they can’t even answer these questions appropriately? I’d say so. The level of imperialism over there has reached proportions rarely seen on other internet forums. They can’t convince anyone of their viewpoint if they just delete the other person’s. Deleting doesn’t make them smart or right imo, it makes them deficient in many areas that one needs in order to be fair and moderate in the first place.
“yet he banned that bigjohn on his very first forum post ever for merely pointing out that judging by the mods points on leaderboard that they must be getting paid because they didn’t get a huge influx of points to their accounts like the rest of us did”
Excellent observation that can’t be trumpeted enough!
” May 14, 2008 2:00 AM
Aaron said:
Just finished complaint to BBB. I really hope bad things happen to NW owners bum in prison tho.
”
Great! Have a piece of cake and some coffee here at the potluck with those who help eachother. Comfy footrests, no waiting.
Headers are also a dandy idea as you mention because they show the point of origin of the emails everyone received from Netwinner much more precisely than just the address. Great reminder bruce!
BTW, filling out the complaint form with BBB was very easy and took almost no time at all. So please don’t procrastinate. Preasure is an amazing thing in all it’s forms. Lets use some on the side of good.
Yes let’s!
i was looking for another song by him that i wanted to say goodbye to nw with but this one might be more appropriate, lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y_GuFjxM5Y
Well good luck everyone with the BBB. I for one, will not be contacting them because its not worth it over $50. To everyone who thinks the owners will be going to jail over this: You’re very mistaken. That rarely happens.
It takes a lot to be as negative as i’ve seen on this site. If you want to take years off your life fighting for $300 and $400 go right ahead. To me its not worth it. I’m chalking it up to a life experience and moving on. Its not like I invested any money into the site.
To anon – it’s not about the money!!!!!
Day 3 — if you’re around Stage 4 in the Stages of Grief model ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stages_of_grief ), don’t despair! There are some actions you can take to protest NetWinner’s retroactive cancellation of pending awards. You are not powerless!
Here’s a recap of action items: http://comparerewards.blogspot.com/
It includes contacts to the BBB, the NC AG’s office, the media, and more.
The “death toll” from NetWinnerCentral yesterday included the following members whose accounts were deleted: Eloian, MISSM40215, richw77, asantanaf1, and justlee. At this rate, only the mods will be left. And maybe that wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world. If the mods were really the “great friends” they claim to be, I don’t see how they can continue to represent the company that screwed you.
There are a lot of hostile feelings here, a lot of quite justified bitterness. I’m not telling anybody what to feel, or how to react to what you feel is not just a ripoff or scam but also a complete betrayal by a company that many people felt emotionally connected with. Playing the games at NW was a part of many people’s daily routines. I know you’re hurt.
BUT — please keep in mind that this site and the comments on it may be a source of information for pending investigations against NetWinner. Personal attacks against specific individuals will probably not help further your cause, but posting the details of your own situation may.
Take a deep breath. Breathe. And focus on positive actions that you can take to get some resolution or at least some justice.
The contact information again: http://comparerewards.blogspot.com/
Clearly Dollphyn, it is. They wronged me and various people I know too. However, I’m not trying to get them shut down. They made their bed and now they must lie in it. They’ll end up closing on their own.
Do you really believe all these people would be trying to get them shut down if money wasn’t involved?
I was the one who posted at the netwinner forumn about being paid the hush money! yet I haven’t been banned yet! And yes I was told to keep quiet from Matt via telephone call and recieved 1 owed payment of 100.00 ecount minus 3.00 service fee for new card! I was the original poster at NWC about Becky reporting the connection to porn….Yet I still am not banned! I never hid the fact they were paying hush money ! I regret taking it now because everyone else got s**T on….. I am so sorry that everyone got treated so badly!
Bruce said:
‘lets pick a day say friday everyone send a letter to the closest fox tv station to them’
I sent my into to the national fox network at ureport@foxnews.com
Well heck, since no one was interested in posting a video reply to Netwinner, I informed YouTube of the problems with the company. Since they are using YouTube to recruit new members, I thought they should know. Doubt it’ll happen, but I’d love it if all their videos were taken down.
Good Morning Everyone ! I just wanted to share with you the letter I just received from the BBB (SouthernPiedmont Area) Charlotte, NC
Complaint ID#: 374520
Business Name: Netwinner LLC
Thank you for contacting the Better Business Bureau. Your complaint was received by the Bureau on May 13, 2008 and has been assigned case# 374520in our files. Please make a note of this number for future reference.
Your complaint has been applied to the following business:
Netwinner LLC
1427 South Blvd Ste 200
Charlotte, NC 28203-4261
The case has been reviewed and has now been forwarded to the business for their response. This business has until May 28, 2008 to respond to your complaint. You may contact our office after May 28, 2008 to check the status of your complaint.
We encourage you to use our ONLINE COMPLAINT system to keep up with the progress of this complaint. To view the details of your case please go to the following website address: http://www.charlotte.bbb.org/complaint/view/374520/c/jzaf47.
Sincerely,
Hilda T. Cohen
Dispute Resolution Specialist
BBB Complaint Department
hcohen@charlotte.bbb.org
I am awaiting the forms from the NC Attorney General’s Office. They were requested yesterday and will be forthcoming in the US Postal Mail.
I also wanted to let everyone know..interestingly enough I went to one of the game sites Netwinner wants everyone to play at to get a copy of my points so that I could take a screen shot and figure out what the amount was before they sent me back those double points. Have you noticed there are no streaming ads when you sign in to play the game? I thought it was just the one I was at but I logged into several other and was the same thing. Ad screen was black !! Are the advertisers quitting them too now.. Maybe they have gotten the word that Netwinner was scamming them too.
I hope that everyone who is owed funds from Netwinner files complaints to every available source out there and I want to thank Becky for so graciously posting a link to those avenues. I don’t know if we will get what is so deservingly coming to us..but if this helps to rid Netwinner from frauding anyone else then I feel like something will be accomplished. So get your records together file those complaints and Good Luck and God Bless !
I can’t help but wonder how the partner sites are taking all this. They offered this game to their visitors and members in good faith that Netwinner would fulfill their obligations. Many of these sites are nice sites with good reputations. This whole fiasco had to hurt the credibilty of some of the affiliated sites, and I have noticed the deafening silence from the site operators concerning Netwinner on the forums.
I was going back thru my files I saved from netwinner including all of the letters and verification notices I received from them on my prize cashouts and found this.
I dont know if you all remember this or not..On January 9, 2008 Netwinner posted a page where the links to some of their money wheel sits and banko sites were. Well on that page that Netwinner created the following was stated:
(Bookmark this page as a single source for all Netwinner Games)
Update on Ecount – Robin should have gotten everything fixed today. We’ll be getting files over to them this week, and all of the remaining Sept. and October cards should be processed and out to them by late week. Then, 7-10 biz days for delivery to players. Sorry for all the hassles but we should
be back in our 60 day window next week. (12/31/07)
On the bottome of that page: Make sure you verify your email address from the MyAccount page to receive your prizes in a timely manner.
Notice they were still stating a 60 day TOS window.
If I remember correctly it was in December..someone asked in their forum where they were in the processing of the E-cards and that person was told by a mod there that they were currently in the first week of Novemeber.
Well I myself questioned them about that post (which by the way had been removed from the fullfilment thread) in April because by that time they were still telling everyone they were only in the second week of November, 2007. So my point is I think they were not really processing anything much if at all ..dating all the way back to Novemeber/December, 2007.
I had filed a complaint with the BBB on the 4th. This is the response BBB sent me this morning from netwinner;
05/12/2008 WEB BBB RECEIVE BUSINESS RESPONSE : Due to the increase of fraudulent activity on our database, we are unfortunately experiencing a delay in the processing of prizes. Netwinner is working to fulfill prizes in a timely manner. Thank you for your patience in this matter as we make Netwinner fun and fair for everyone.
What a crock! “delay in fulfilling prizes”? I thought they said there would be NO more prize winnings paid?
Sue, that’s exactly the same response I received from Netwinner on May 6th. I did NOT accept the response and included in my reply the letter from S. Allen Dean about the points getting put back into our accounts and payments being cancelled out, so the BBB threw it back into Netwinner’s court.
I did not accept it either, and sent BBB a copy of the letter from netwinner about payments. I don’t know what they are trying to pull.
non said:
Clearly Dollphyn, it is. They wronged me and various people I know too. However, I’m not trying to get them shut down. They made their bed and now they must lie in it. They’ll end up closing on their own.
Do you really believe all these people would be trying to get them shut down if money wasn’t involved?
May 14, 2008 7:54 AM
In response: I think you took my post the wrong way – I have lost money as well…I have also filed with the BBB…Of course it is about what they owe..but it is also about the deception, deceit, lies and continence of such…I am in this with the rest of you..so don’t take that the wrong way
[ No One said:
Well heck, since no one was interested in posting a video reply to Netwinner, I informed YouTube of the problems with the company. Since they are using YouTube to recruit new members, I thought they should know. Doubt it'll happen, but I'd love it if all their videos were taken down. ]
i tried to post this video in response to the latest spin report on youtube but i guess they wanted a video you uploaded yourself, not one that was already existing on youtube, oh well, i thought it was a good response
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x78Fm4CMWQ
Also that post I made about it not being about the money went to the poster above me – just to many anon’s here I guess – LOL
I just saw a good observation….. If they cant pay out the ecards owed.. Why do they still have a million dollar jackpot that “they say” you can win?
05/13/2008 Received Business’ Rebuttal Response To best address the current fraud and operational challenges, all existing redemption points for debit cards that have not been fulfilled will be doubled and refunded into each Player’s account. For example, if an individual redeemed 25,000 points toward a debit card, 50,000 points will be deposited back into their account. These can now be redeemed for entries into any of our growing list of cash and prize drawings. Thank you for your patience and understanding.
I appear to have been banned from the NW forums, I have not used any insults, name calling, or anything, just posted my views on the game and the lies given to us.
I think filling legal action is great. But we need to post on as many reward type bulletin boards and community type sites about the NW scam, to prevent other people from falling into the trap.
Who knows when they will decide to not honor the raffle winner?? (but we put double the points back into your account, so it is ok to break a legally binding promise)
They should have punished the “cheaters” not everyone. But ultimately it is their fault for having such bad rules (very few free games allow more than one person per household – many check for duplicate ips). NW should never have opened a website if they didn’t have a clue, they could have limited growth (membership) at any time if they were growing too fast (or whatever their current excuse is for the problems)
I remember the Assoicated Press being one of Netwinners Ad streams for the longest time, they might be a good place to start. the BBB is useless, they have no power at all.
Man, they are deleting posts left and right there. I can’t believe this. I refresh the page and posts just dissapear in that short of a time. They are getting scared, I think.
If anyone has a post they want to copy, better get it done now. They have removed entire threads over there. Looks like it is turning into a “we love NW” you-know-what fest.
hey rocking23nf -
you made this post at about 10 am today, was this the last thing you said there? if so i guess this is what got you banned
{“What makes you think NW is going to pay you the prizes from raffles either? they did it once, lied 100s of times, im sure they will do it again. Save your time, find another hobby.”)
i guess you were too critical of nw for the mod squad
i can still get in there for now but i have been sitting on my hands when reading stuff in there most of the time, lol
I noticed the contests are down to a crawl. It is mostly 2/3 ‘faithful players” and the mini mods playing. Pitiful. Also noticed that the mods seem very quiet. Wonder if any of them quit?
Things seem down to a crawl except for posts being deleted right and left
oops…on the comment above- I meant- two or three players
Yea I noticed that too. No new posts in the last say ten minutes at least.. lol
shellkate -
I don’t blame you for taking the money from NW and agreeing to keep quiet. At least a few people have gotten something, and the crime of bribery was committed by Netwinner, not you. I’m sure they probably led you to believe eventually everyone would be paid what they were owed. It’s just one example in a long line of dirty tricks Netwinner has tried to use to find a loophole from their liabilities but I feel the day of court arguments will soon be upon us and Netwinner will be the one with a lot of explaining to do.
Hi all,
I have been sitting back watching…..posted at netwinner when mjp said he only wanted truth……right after he closed and edited his reply to Rich on hush money……I have a camera shot of both..I was the one that broke about e-count not getting money, I am the one in Becky’s article……when I was redlined saying I was giving out false info on the card phone number, the dam broke, I called again and same info…..I emailed Becky and gave her the go ahead…….I got a call and it’s on my recorder, says he was just calling to chat, said he would call back Monday….not sure what Monday, never got a call back…..That Monday I received 25 on my ecount from Nov.14 payout along with a letter saying my phone number wasn’t correct. I replied and never got a response. I have 350 still owed and my partner 450……I have taken a bit of a different angle on this, I have e-mailed the Ellen Degeneres show…..she is on a commercial, Rosie O’Donnell….she plays Pogo and going to the companies that are advertising along with other things, will post when I hear
My last post was about the 1 million prize, I said it will never be won, and the game is rigged, its not random at all, Netwinner adjusts the winning odds whenever they like. Banko is very scripted also. The big prizes will never be won.
whysue1,
I’m glad you have camera shots of Mike’s original post and his nice job of editing it to make it seem less damaging. I have screen shots too, so if we get enough people with screen shots or that at least can act as a witness it will only strengthen our case against them.
rocking23nf,
I hear you on that one. Even if it is won it will either be called a glitch or Netwinner will just change its TOS to say they will give the winner 2,000,000,000 points to enter in the raffles. Or they will claim the winner is among the 40% of cheaters that they knew of but chose to continue to let play, instead of banning, because they know the cheaters still watch ads and bring in revenue, and then they can weasel out of payment by arbitrarily calling someone a cheater.
I am in California Rich, not sure where you are, told my partner last night that we both got a camera shot of it, how could we both get the same shot from different states and isp’s…..sitting back and watching them dig their hole…..he said he knows we stalk him….I have never stalked, I just read and when I state something I have facts to back it up
I just noticed a newly joined administrator on forums named NetwinnerNinja. Hum, wonder who that is. Could it be one of the long lost mods who were hired? Or perhaps Mr. Coffman himself?
That name has been on before, not often
mjp has been known to make up fake names for the forum..
very true. he also changed his avatar (Abe Lincoln) and before that it was “sneakybastard”. (skeleton sneaking around)
ha. funny now that he has changed it!
whysue1,
I am in Tennessee, so I think our screen shots together would be more evidence than anything Netwinner could come up with. Not to mention, if its a matter of credibility, my wife also witnessed the posts, and I know several other people on this post have mentioned that they saw his original response and the edit. Considering all the unfulfilled promises from Netwinner and mysteriously deleted posts, they will have a tough time proving they are credible.
I am at a loss for words today(after filing with all the agencieis ,and everything I know to do ,compiling all the evidence I have against them in each filing). This is the response NW gave to the BBB on my case: To best address the current fraud and operational challenges, all existing redemption points for debit cards that have not been fulfilled will be doubled and refunded into each Player’s account. For example, if an individual redeemed 25,000 points toward a debit card, 50,000 points will be deposited back into their account. These can now be redeemed for entries into any of our growing list of cash and prize drawings. Thank you for your patience and understanding.
This was my response(and I did C&P some of what you guys have said in your postings because it describes how I feel much better than I could put into words myself ….THANK YOU ALL!!) : Of course it is about what they owe..but it is also about the deception, deceit, lies and continence of such.Who knows when they will decide to not honor the raffle winner?? (but we put double the points back into your account, so it is ok to break a legally binding promise)? If they cant pay out the ecards owed.. Why do they still have a million dollar jackpot that “they say” you can win? This is illegeal,and NO,I will NOT except ANY AMOUNT of points they put in my account because I’m not playing on a site I have devoted so much of my time to,believing I would be paid…..but to only wait almost 7 months to have it all taken away.
i think the main reason they never tried to pursue the ’40% cheaters’ they claim to have is because they wanted the numbers to claim all those viewers for selling the advertisements, if they actually had that many cheaters and caught them and deleted their accounts their numbers would be more like 120,000 than 200,000, i wonder how much difference that would make in how much they could charge for the ads?
seems like carrying all of those bogus accounts knowingly is committing fraud on the advertisers also
knothead,
You are exactly correct! Here’s the dictionary definiton of fraud:
deceit, trickery, sharp practice, or breach of confidence, perpetrated for profit or to gain some unfair or dishonest advantage
To me, keeping players active, if you know they are a cheater and have violated your TOS and you have no intention of paying cheaters, is deceiving advertisers into believing you have more players than actually is the case, and the unfair or dishonest advantage is the increased ad revenue from someone you don’t intend to reward.
Eyewitness News Charlotte NC Action 9 Consumer Complaint Form- http://www.wsoctv.com/action9/1922795/detail.html
go fill it out
I attempted to fill out the Action 9 Complaint Form but when I tried to submit it two times I was given the dreaded “cannot display page” error. The second time all of my information was deleted from the fields, so I’m hoping they got it.
They are still going on about the “calling the grandmother” routine. I think they found that one thing that probably didn’t even happen and are “spinning” it to make us over here look like a bunch of raving lunatics or a lynch mob. I think they are trying to garner sympathy for themselves now. The only ones who believe that load of bull are the same ones that are still thinking they will get paid! Geez! They deserve what they get I say.
same here on Action 9
On that channel 9 thing. I think it would be real good for the LOCAL station to put this on the air. I think if NW saw themselves on TV and all this would make some of them a little embarassed to say the least.
same here on action 9
about duplicate posts, when i submit a post i have to refresh this page 2 or 3 times before it shows up so try that before you submit it a second time
The Ellen show that runs commercials on Netwinner has a show coming up…..Do something for somebody that only takes your time…..Asked her to give us that….her time
What about the fraud in the actual game itself. They claim you need to “match” numbers to win. Most likely the money wheel game is scripted so that the circles light up regardless of what numbers are in them. Thats how they are guaranteed of never awarding the jackpot or any of the high prize amounts. I figured this out long ago by using self-pick and putting in just 00 every time. And I won just as often as when the numbers were quickpicked.
Their whole operation is a total scam.
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mjp,
Very surprised at you, people had faith in you…..when you changed your reply post yesterday,…..yes, I have a camera shot of it…. you are not a member of an honest team, nothing is honest when you have to change it……We are not all stupid…….you said after my post about stalking you…….never have and never will, My first post was that one, I am going every avenue I can…..Had you all said, might be a bit but you will all be paid as you have said over and over and then changed….acceptable….I don’t appreciate the lies…..that is my big gripe……
I got redlined in forum for posting the truth on a phone number, I don’t post often but I have my facts before I do. I got a call but wasn’t home, message says….on my way back to North Carolina, will call back Monday……Any idea as to which Monday? Also got a letter saying they wanted to talk to me today, dated May5th, replied back, nothing……any answers to these?
thank you,
whysue1
Netwinner does not have a direct relationship with the advertisers in the video ads they display like Ford, Hilton, and Disney. These companies submit their ads to ad networks and the ad networks get to decide which websites it distributes the ads to. The ad networks Netwinner contracts with to get their video ads include:
(1) Lightningcast (Advertising.com)
Advertising.com’s TOS: “Publisher agrees that it shall NOT, unless it has received written authorization from Advertising.com: …stack Creatives (e.g. place on top of one another so that more than 2 ads are next to each other)…, Induce persons to click on Creatives based on incentives… Upon a determination by Advertising.com, in its sole discretion, that Publisher has violated any of the foregoing conditions…Publisher agrees that Advertising.com may, in addition to other legal remedies, assess liquidated damages of up to $1,000.00 per occurrence of each such violation, and that such liquidated damages are reasonable.”
http://www.lightningcast.com/contact.php
(2) Voxant (Thenewsroom.com)
Voxant’s TOS: “Impressions of content from Voxant’s Newsroom must result from genuine user interest…You will not be paid for traffic generated by any of these methods.” Requests to click for support = no genuine user interest = click fraud.
http://www.thenewsroom.com/initiatives/contact_us
(3) Booyah Networks (Spotxchange.com)
Spotxchange’s TOS: “Publisher will not authorize, permit, enable or engage in any of the following: (a) Publisher, its employees, contractors or agents…offering a user any inducement of any kind to generate Requests”
http://www.spotxchange.com/spx_contact.html
“May 14, 2008 10:17 AM
bruce said:
05/13/2008 Received Business’ Rebuttal Response To best address the current fraud and operational challenges, all existing redemption points for debit cards that have not been fulfilled will be doubled and refunded into each Player’s account. For example, if an individual redeemed 25,000 points toward a debit card, 50,000 points will be deposited back into their account. These can now be redeemed for entries into any of our growing list of cash and prize drawings. Thank you for your patience and understanding.”
Yes well that was not the contract Netwinner had with us at the time of redemption. Prizes were also agreed upon and confirmed by both Netwinner and it’s members as proven by the confirmation emails we have provided.
The money owed was promised as being “on the way” while we were handed a variety of excuses. Those excuses continued up until the moment Netwinner exposed that it never had any intention of paying.
Nice try though Netwinner.
It’s very rigged.
I wonder, when they end up in White Collar prison, do the Corporate criminals then train each other on the inside on ripping people off? Like the regular type criminals do? Sadly all our winnings are now going to go to his lawyers to fight us. I don’t know all that much about US law, but can’t someone, especially the advertizing partners file an injunction and freeze NW assests?
So has anyone contacted their sponsors?
Their ads come from http://adstreams.com <~~~ Contact them and keep complaining until they drop their sponsorship from NetWinner.
How didn’t you guys not see it coming. I did! After decompiling their games and seeing that their site was rigged, I knew the drawing prizes were soon to follow. I kept following up on NetWinner everynow and then and when I saw that they got rid of the “community” section of their site and made the forums on and external site with out any links on the original NetWinner’s site they were setting up for something really scammy. The reason why they put the forum on a whole nother site before ripping off all their current users is, so when you guys complain on the forums… The newly interested users can’t see what they have just done to their existing members and will not turn them off from signing up..
BTW…Anyone still have acess over at NWC know what thier latest spin is today? The mods still humping each others legs and calling it love?
Perhaps..you are not the one lying…this time. Perhaps it is the “mod” that is saying this is happening that is not being quite truthful.
…to MJP regarding this ‘grandmother’ mess.
” May 14, 2008 10:50 AM
Anonymous said:
I think filling legal action is great. But we need to post on as many reward type bulletin boards and community type sites about the NW scam, to prevent other people from falling into the trap.
Who knows when they will decide to not honor the raffle winner?? (but we put double the points back into your account, so it is ok to break a legally binding promise)
They should have punished the “cheaters” not everyone. But ultimately it is their fault for having such bad rules (very few free games allow more than one person per household – many check for duplicate ips). NW should never have opened a website if they didn’t have a clue, they could have limited growth (membership) at any time if they were growing too fast (or whatever their current excuse is for the problems)
”
The number of what Netwinner cites as cheaters is inflated at best. That’s easily proven because the methods they cite as being used to cheat were built out of the game a long time ago. Some of us know this and will tell you this excuse is just another excuse.
I think the whole concept of the folks at Netwiner “not having a clue” is what they want you to think also. If they appear that way, they can feign ignorance much more convincingly from the beginning of this scam. Think about it.
Who are you going to believe makes more mistakes (which is what they want you to believe)?:
A. A company that is caught in constant lies while talways making more “mistakes” which are always in their favor?
B. Or a company that is well-run and claims a high percentage of improbable Murphy’s Law actions that always end up in their favor?
I think most people would be willing to believe the former much more readily. In actuality, I think Netwinner knew what it was doing from the getgo and this non-payment to members was a piece of the initial plan pie. The flavor of the pie is mud or “False ad income generation by members who really will believe we are as inept as we say we are if we always tell them that while we sit back and line our pockets and they do the work to generate the income for us.”
The sporadic payments were to keep everyone clicking. That’s already been acknowledged. Fits in quite neatly with their constant carrot and stick approach while feigning bad luck and “we’re not perfect”.
So full of sh*t the entire time.
Yes, I see you Netwinner. I see you. A whole new ballgame for you when it comes to “spread the word” now though. I’ll do what I can to help that along. You’ve earned it Netwinner.
Regarding NetWinner’s ad provider , adstreams.com , going this route would probably be futile . As many know , this is the company that started NetWinner . The COO of NetWinner , Allen Dean , is also the COO of Adstreams .It looks like you would have to bypass the content provider , and go directly to the actual company . NetWinner has been involved in click fraud . They have offered points for clicking on ads since 2006 .
isitrigged: Adstreams is just another name for NetWinner. Different LLC but it’s the same people, same location, etc. Adstreams is their proprietary software that runs the in-game ads. Adstreams plays the ads that they get elsewhere. If you haven’t read my posts about the NW/porn connection, I mentioned Adstreams in there, too.
Note to all: As I delete duplicate posts and approve some that were held for moderation, you may see the comment count on this post changing. Just FYI, so you’ll know it’s not the comment Nazis.
“The sporadic payments were to keep everyone clicking. That’s already been acknowledged. Fits in quite neatly with their constant carrot and stick approach while feigning bad luck and “we’re not perfect”.”
I can’t agree more with this statement. When looked at in it’s entirety it makes far more sense than lies they been spinning for months. Example: E-count is currently having problems processing cards. Reallity: E-count has already said they were merly waiting for NW to deposit the funds and most cards would have been sent out 24-48 hours after. Further proofed by folks who got paid as some wierd hush money . They all recieved thier reloads in no time at all.
‘Mega Thursday’ tomorrow…PA-LEEZE! Talk about transparent ploys. This reeks of desperation and just goes to show how pathetic and daft they are. Fool us once yada yada… I sincerely hope no one gives in to this evil temptation…we have to stand firm and let them know that we’re DONE with their ‘games’, pun intended. Now I have to decide what to do with these useless points they’ve dumped into my account.
” May 14, 2008 10:54 AM
rocking23nf said:
I remember the Assoicated Press being one of Netwinners Ad streams for the longest time, they might be a good place to start. the BBB is useless, they have no power at all.”
Actually they do. You can see by reviewing the record of complaints against Netwinner on the BBB site that some people have received payment (over life of the complaints) and the claims were resolved.
Filing with the BBB is also a solid foundation from which other actions will have a track record to springboard from. By that I mean, if we put in our complaints at all the agencies we can, we can refer back to those initial complaints and use them as evidence in future actions as well. These things just take time and tenacity. We’ve got those.